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    Default shimmy walk.....?

    Since this thread is called Hagalla or "shimmy walk" question -- Here is one:
    We have a quick part of a drum piece where we do a "shimmy walk" for 4 counts, several times (alternating w/ a few other steps in between).
    BUT this "shimmy walk" is a real 4 step walk forward while shimmying -and to a very fast beat!! ... "Egyptian", glute shimmy -- whatever you can produce.
    A 3/4 shimmy would normally be what I'd think of for anythiing that walks/moves forward at the same time, but this step calls for a 4/4 vibration or knee shimmy or ...? (not a 3/4)
    Can anyone tell me a pointer for moving forward w/ a shimmy as isolated to hips as possible (not looking like just shaking all over) -- (have tried lifting, etc but can't move knees/Egyptian shimmy, and move feet to walk at the same time.....Best to bend knees more?? Or less??
    I'm probably getting a bit better while practicing a few methods (mainly bending knees more and engaging glutes more seems to be fairly ok, but thought I'd ask all of you for a few comments -- Thanks-- Ludy --

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    Hi Ludmilla, If you are using an Egyptian shimmy while walking forward, then it's better to slide your feet forward in small increments. To get used to this move, try an Egyptian shimmy in a stationary position and shift your weight side to side. As you get used to the weight shifts, then slide your foot forward, the other leg will maintain the shimmy as your weight shifts.
    If you are using a basic hip shimmy, try a rapid side to side motion as opposed to up and down, again you should feel enough weight shift in order to move the foot forward.Let me know how this works out.
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    Hi Yasmine -- BOth of these methods feel much much smoother already! I will review your note in more detail I am sure, and am very glad, very appreciative of these solutions! Thank you so much again!! (I can tell I will be practicing this all weekend now.) I'll let you know if there is still a problem, but think you explained perfectly. Hugs, and Have a great weekend -- Ludmilla

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludmilla View Post
    Since this thread is called Hagalla or "shimmy walk" question -- Here is one:
    We have a quick part of a drum piece where we do a "shimmy walk" for 4 counts, several times (alternating w/ a few other steps in between).
    BUT this "shimmy walk" is a real 4 step walk forward while shimmying -and to a very fast beat!! ... "Egyptian", glute shimmy -- whatever you can produce.
    A 3/4 shimmy would normally be what I'd think of for anythiing that walks/moves forward at the same time, but this step calls for a 4/4 vibration or knee shimmy or ...? (not a 3/4)
    Can anyone tell me a pointer for moving forward w/ a shimmy as isolated to hips as possible (not looking like just shaking all over) -- (have tried lifting, etc but can't move knees/Egyptian shimmy, and move feet to walk at the same time.....Best to bend knees more?? Or less??
    I'm probably getting a bit better while practicing a few methods (mainly bending knees more and engaging glutes more seems to be fairly ok, but thought I'd ask all of you for a few comments -- Thanks-- Ludy --
    Hello Ludy!

    I think the name of the ¾ shimmy is somewhat misleading, because really it can be done to any kind of music.

    One way I learned to do it is that you do three hip moves for every count. On each count you step forward and at the same time, move your hip (the same leg you stepped onto, so your weight is on the leg) up, then down, and then up again. All of these movements are done quickly to one count of the music. On the next count you repeat this but on the opposite side.

    For the Hagalla shimmy, you do the exact same hip movement as above but with the opposite hip to the one that steps forwards. (Hopefully I’m explaining this well enough! )

    Madeline

    P.S. Leyla Jouvana’s “1001 Shimmies and 21 Variations” video is extremely helpful!

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    Default i learned yesterday how to make the shimmy walk...

    it's really difficult!!

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    Madeline -- Thanks for the pointers -- it is not 3/4 shimmy at all -- Thanks though - 'spose I can always improve that, too!



    Yasmine -- my initial practice seemed promising -- I find to be at all capable w/ this, my Egyptian shimmy w/ walk (your technique) still shakes my torso a bit and can't really be isolated.
    The Plan B of side to side glute shimmy is proably easier for me than the other way, and the way I achieve this is basicallly leaning torso a bit foward and "butt-shake" (which isolates glutes from legs somewhat in order to do these simultaneously.) It does NOT feel graceful no matter what I do.
    Thank goodness it's only for a few counts at a time in the piece and fast so people will not notice my "wobbliness" or lack of ease of this movement. (I guess it's more for the impression of it than the technique because even my teacher says that most people can't do this easily.)

    Is this "awkwardness" and feeling of "just winging this" to do it right at all normal, or am I really just not getting it?? Regards -- Ludy --

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    Madeline, bellydancerlovetoshimmy, and ludmilla,I can tell you about the 3/4 shimmy and other shimmys I know, in the Hadia's certification level 1 she teach how to do a shimmy by just slightly bending your knees one at a time and doing a back and front shimmy with your tights and belive me you walk with this shimmy, specially beautyfull for Saidi, we did an out and in with the hip and then transfer the weight with the inner tight for a 3/4 shimmy. the source is "Hadia's Ultimate Belly Dance Sistem" set of four DVDs. Marie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludmilla View Post
    Madeline -- Thanks for the pointers -- it is not 3/4 shimmy at all -- Thanks though - 'spose I can always improve that, too!



    Yasmine -- my initial practice seemed promising -- I find to be at all capable w/ this, my Egyptian shimmy w/ walk (your technique) still shakes my torso a bit and can't really be isolated.
    The Plan B of side to side glute shimmy is proably easier for me than the other way, and the way I achieve this is basicallly leaning torso a bit foward and "butt-shake" (which isolates glutes from legs somewhat in order to do these simultaneously.) It does NOT feel graceful no matter what I do.
    Thank goodness it's only for a few counts at a time in the piece and fast so people will not notice my "wobbliness" or lack of ease of this movement. (I guess it's more for the impression of it than the technique because even my teacher says that most people can't do this easily.)

    Is this "awkwardness" and feeling of "just winging this" to do it right at all normal, or am I really just not getting it?? Regards -- Ludy --
    Hi Ludmilla, Yes this is an awkward move for me too. We use this style of shimmy in one of our choreos and everyone has initial diffifculty with it. Just like your choreo, the move itself is only for a few counts. For me it's a matter of maintaing my posture and centeredness while maintaining my shimmy, this is not my favortie way to shimmy and travel. I prefer the 3/4shimmy or choo-choo shimmy. Ask your teacher to demonstrate what she wants and break it down further. There are some moves in the Oriental dance universe that is just plain difficult no matter how much you practice. So in cases like these your attitude whie dancing can carry you through.
    Yasmine

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    You're welcome, Ludy!

    Marie, thanks for the information!

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    Default the hagallah mystery continues

    Quote Originally Posted by gisela View Post
    haha, yes, but this is not an official name. When I first heard the term three-quarter-shimmy, most of the group (being non-english) actually "heard" the teacher say "free-water-shimmy" which we found very poetic, but a bit strange. So... for about an hour, we thought we were learning the free-water-shimmy, until someone asked about the origin of that name.

    But anyway, I think it's amazing with all the variations. Delicious detailing!

    Megarah, don't be confused. Focus on learning your teachers way of doing haggala, but keep in mind that no instructor comes with the ultimate truth. I've seen many students who only have had one teacher and if they try another one they get pissed off, because she/he has other vocabulary or performs a move in a different way.

    I agree with everyone! actually 3/4 shimmy is common in USA as not not many if any new students will know that Hagala is a regional dance. Yasmina al bint nubia--i would love to see the shamira or that step. could not quite picture it from the descriptions all running together in my head. I do think that 3/4 shimmy walk worked for me but i would start with shimmy drills and only progress to a hagalla when it can be performed easily and at a variety of tempos. this is such a standard move for me--and i do a little pelvic dip naturally as i am trained in african dance. it feels better--more rooted for me as i dance as a kind of praise action!

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