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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyLoba View Post
    I can do an upper body undulation...the one that starts with the chest that a lot of people call a "camel." But a "reverse camel" aka "lower undulation"...

    I am so stuck on that...
    From what I've learned in my class, and on the instructional DVD's I have, the camel is a full-body move, not just an "upper body" move. I'm not a teacher by any means, but hopefully, I can explain in a way that makes sense (note to bd instructors: if I make any mistakes or am unclear in my explanation, please correct it; thank you in advance).

    Are you rolling your body all the way down to your buttocks, ending in a "seated" position? If you're only moving your upper body, then you're simply doing an upper-body undulation. For the camel, stand with your feet shoulder-length apart, in "belly dance stance" (shoulders straight, knees slightly bent, pelvis and abs tucked in). It helps to have one foot slightly forward. Start with your chest, bring it forward, and roll all the way down your body until your buttocks are in a seated position. In the reverse camel, you just simple go back the way you came, if that makes sense. Think of yourself as "getting up" out of your imaginary chair by tilting the pelvis back in, and reverse-rolling until you end with your chest.

    Try rolling your body down, then up several times consecutively until you get the hang of it.

    I hope that explanation helps.

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    I have a more simple question- undulations seem like a continuous movement from one part of the body to another. Is it done continuously and done as sectioned movements, and if so, I fee like I'm just making my chest go in a circle... I don't really feel like it's a "movement". Is that just because it's a small one or am I possibly not doing it correctly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belly Love View Post
    I have a more simple question- undulations seem like a continuous movement from one part of the body to another. Is it done continuously and done as sectioned movements, and if so, I fee like I'm just making my chest go in a circle... I don't really feel like it's a "movement". Is that just because it's a small one or am I possibly not doing it correctly?
    Without seeing a video of you doing an undulation, it would be hard for me to tell.

    A lot of instructional videos do break the movement down into sections, then they tell you to "smooth it out." I prefer to think of the movement as being "progressive," rolling smoothly down the body, like waves in an ocean. Of course, my mental image might not help, but hopefully it makes a bit of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farasha Hanem View Post
    A lot of instructional videos do break the movement down into sections, then they tell you to "smooth it out." I prefer to think of the movement as being "progressive," rolling smoothly down the body, like waves in an ocean. Of course, my mental image might not help, but hopefully it makes a bit of sense.
    Ok. That makes sense. I think I'm doing it right... it just seemed really easy and I got it right away after watching an instruction vid one time. I haven't gotten any movements (that were new to me) that easily, so I thought I was missing something Although, it doesn't seem like it will be so easy incorporating it into a dance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farasha Hanem View Post
    From what I've learned in my class, and on the instructional DVD's I have, the camel is a full-body move, not just an "upper body" move. I'm not a teacher by any means, but hopefully, I can explain in a way that makes sense (note to bd instructors: if I make any mistakes or am unclear in my explanation, please correct it; thank you in advance).

    Are you rolling your body all the way down to your buttocks, ending in a "seated" position? If you're only moving your upper body, then you're simply doing an upper-body undulation. For the camel, stand with your feet shoulder-length apart, in "belly dance stance" (shoulders straight, knees slightly bent, pelvis and abs tucked in). It helps to have one foot slightly forward. Start with your chest, bring it forward, and roll all the way down your body until your buttocks are in a seated position. In the reverse camel, you just simple go back the way you came, if that makes sense. Think of yourself as "getting up" out of your imaginary chair by tilting the pelvis back in, and reverse-rolling until you end with your chest.

    Try rolling your body down, then up several times consecutively until you get the hang of it.

    I hope that explanation helps.
    Yup, this is what I learned to call a camel. If you travel with the move it's called a walking camel and if you reverse it (start with a lower body undulation in the opposite direction), it's a reverse camel. Oh, and if you are traveling with your wrists crossed above your head, it's a folkloric camel (these are the terms I learned from online instruction videos, anyhow). Though I have heard the standing movement called a body wave (body rolls down from the initial chest lift) and reverse body wave (body rolls up from the pelvis) too.

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    I wouldn't get too hung up on specific terms... I like to think of "undulation" as an umbrella term that describes one type of move as opposed to a specific move. For specifics, we can always add a modifier or a description.

    So, if we're talking about an undulation that involves just the hips, we can call that a hip undulation or lower-body undulation. If we're talking about an undulation that involves just the chest, then chest undulation. If we're talking about an undulation that involves both, then full-body undulation, or chest-to-hip undulation (or if it's reversed, hips-to-chest undulation), etc.

    To me, all of these are undulations. Anything that makes a wave-like movement I would consider a movement under the "undulation" umbrella. So, I also consider belly rolls to be undulations, but I just call them "belly rolls," though I could also see how "belly undulations" would be a good term.

    "Camel" usually describes a type of undulation, but depending on who you take classes with, it will be different. In most of my classes, my teachers have used the term "camel" to mean a full-body undulation, but I also know teachers who use "camel" to describe the hip-only undulation. It doesn't matter what it's called as long as you can do the different versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yame View Post
    I wouldn't get too hung up on specific terms... I like to think of "undulation" as an umbrella term that describes one type of move as opposed to a specific move. For specifics, we can always add a modifier or a description.

    So, if we're talking about an undulation that involves just the hips, we can call that a hip undulation or lower-body undulation. If we're talking about an undulation that involves just the chest, then chest undulation. If we're talking about an undulation that involves both, then full-body undulation, or chest-to-hip undulation (or if it's reversed, hips-to-chest undulation), etc.

    To me, all of these are undulations. Anything that makes a wave-like movement I would consider a movement under the "undulation" umbrella. So, I also consider belly rolls to be undulations, but I just call them "belly rolls," though I could also see how "belly undulations" would be a good term.

    "Camel" usually describes a type of undulation, but depending on who you take classes with, it will be different. In most of my classes, my teachers have used the term "camel" to mean a full-body undulation, but I also know teachers who use "camel" to describe the hip-only undulation. It doesn't matter what it's called as long as you can do the different versions.
    You are very right Yame, i have seen teachers call moves different things, so the name of a move can change with different people, I've seen this done with undulation. It can be confusing for a beginner to know what is what

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    Quote Originally Posted by goddessyasaman View Post
    You are very right Yame, i have seen teachers call moves different things, so the name of a move can change with different people, I've seen this done with undulation. It can be confusing for a beginner to know what is what
    It's sort of like moving to a different location - getting familiar with the language

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greek Bonfire View Post
    It's sort of like moving to a different location - getting familiar with the language

    I know right

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    if you want to try a dvd supplement, Sandra put out some dvds with cheeky girls productions, and on her #2 dvd, she breaks down undulations (and reverses)beautifully. She teaches you the proper muscle isolations well, and when you finally get the hang of it she teaches travel steps to layer with them, and has little combos that you can drill with too.

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