Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 21
  1. #11
    V.I.P. Aziyade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Cornfields of Evansville Indiana.
    Posts
    2,743
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Think pelvic circle. You can actually activate the muscles while sitting down, so you don't need your legs to drive it.

  2. #12
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    16
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I just took a class from a new teacher - neither teacher has identified their style (not, I know, ATS). The new teacher had us doing hip drops and lifts differently from the way my first teacher did - legsand abs v. abs only to do the work.
    Is there a difference between Egyptian and American oriental styles in terms of using the legs to drive the hips v. using the hip and ab muscles to drive the hips?

  3. #13
    V.I.P. Aziyade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Cornfields of Evansville Indiana.
    Posts
    2,743
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by amy.an8 View Post
    Is there a difference between Egyptian and American oriental styles in terms of using the legs to drive the hips v. using the hip and ab muscles to drive the hips?
    Yes. I think for the most part, Raqia and Reda-trained instructors teach a lot of movements as coming from the ground up -- so you use the legs more and sometimes push against gravity. (But not all Egyptian (style) instructors teach this way, and I think Morocco seems to teach movement as coming from the torso.)

    A lot of American instructors keep the muscle action pretty much in the abdominal area. It gives a slightly different look, but a much different feel.

    There are like a dozen different ways to do something as simple as a hip lift

    It's arguable whether or not the little pelvic circle is a part of the traditional movement vocabulary in Egyptian style. I've been told that what looks like a pelvic circle is really a one-hip circle, allowing the movement to occur in both the horizontal and vertical planes.

  4. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    414
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jenc View Post
    I'm puzzled - I use my legs to some degree doing all hip circles. - or do you mean that they don't drive it. If I try to leave my legs out my hips don't move!
    If it's absolutely flat and *small*, done on a small base, the only leg movement should be the swaying that occurs as your weight shifts from side to front to back to side. You can do it with your legs completely straight. No knee movement whatsoever. If you have your feet wider apart and you're trying to keep it flat, you do have to allow your knees to bend at certain spots. But this is not a tilting circle. At all. There is no tilt.

  5. #15
    V.I.P. Aziyade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Cornfields of Evansville Indiana.
    Posts
    2,743
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zumarrad View Post
    If it's absolutely flat and *small*, done on a small base, the only leg movement should be the swaying that occurs as your weight shifts from side to front to back to side. You can do it with your legs completely straight. No knee movement whatsoever. If you have your feet wider apart and you're trying to keep it flat, you do have to allow your knees to bend at certain spots. But this is not a tilting circle. At all. There is no tilt.
    Are you talking about those real tight little circles a la Fifi? She would travel around in a circle doing them?

  6. #16
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    414
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    I haven't watched enough Fifi to be able to tell you that. It's a basic technical drill really. You can layer it with leg stuff to add various sorts of texture, but it's just a completely flat circle in the hips.

  7. #17
    V.I.P. Kashmir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Christchurch, New Zealand
    Posts
    1,952
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jenc View Post
    I'm puzzled - I use my legs to some degree doing all hip circles. - or do you mean that they don't drive it. If I try to leave my legs out my hips don't move!
    Your legs hold you up but the obliques do most of the sideways movement, the lower abs pull the pelvis back and the glutes drive it forward. A good test is to try it in a very deep pool - I think you'll find you can do a circle without using the legs.

  8. #18
    V.I.P. Kashmir's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Christchurch, New Zealand
    Posts
    1,952
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Aziyade View Post
    It's arguable whether or not the little pelvic circle is a part of the traditional movement vocabulary in Egyptian style. I've been told that what looks like a pelvic circle is really a one-hip circle, allowing the movement to occur in both the horizontal and vertical planes.
    Dr Mo Geddawi insists the flat circle is part of teh traditional Egyptian Orientale movement vocabulary - but the tilting circle is not. Being "African" (yes, I know Egypt is part of Africa - but that was the distinction he made)

  9. #19
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    New Zealand
    Posts
    414
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kashmir View Post
    Dr Mo Geddawi insists the flat circle is part of teh traditional Egyptian Orientale movement vocabulary - but the tilting circle is not. Being "African" (yes, I know Egypt is part of Africa - but that was the distinction he made)
    When I think about it Tahiya and Samia both do that kind of circle at times, don't they? Or at least parts of such circles. And he's of the generation to have been very inspired by them (in fact I think he's one of many youths who got a bit of a crush on Tahiya Carioca at a defining age, isn't he?)

  10. #20
    V.I.P. Aziyade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Cornfields of Evansville Indiana.
    Posts
    2,743
    Post Thanks / Like

    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by Zumarrad View Post
    I haven't watched enough Fifi to be able to tell you that. It's a basic technical drill really. You can layer it with leg stuff to add various sorts of texture, but it's just a completely flat circle in the hips.
    Ok, I think I gotcha It's what I think of as a Fifi circle. Not pelvic, and not wobbly.

    OP - disregard my comments about the pelvic circle

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •