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    You have great taste in music!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goddessyasaman View Post
    (Shanazel post; In my husband's words: girls are supposed to jiggle.


    I agree with your husband Shanazel "girls are supposed to jiggle", I think that some are forgetting what "belly dancing" is about, if you have weight you wish to cut, thats fine but I for one would rather take the non easy road and work out, if you wish to tighten up then keep on belly dancing, do yoga, strength tranning ect... but Tummy tuck? maybe if you are not a belly dancer,(more power to ya if your a tummy tucker) I have always lived by "work for what you have,and if I want a better body then I am willing to work for it but maybe thats just me ... But I would like to say that when I first started to belly dance I was 360 pounds...my pant size was a 25 and now I am 200 pounds with a pant size of 15 and I did that with belly dance, it takes work, but You would be the one who did it.
    Does not that weight loss feel great off of your body? 160 pounds is quite an achievement.

    Better Plastic Surgeons do not recommend Tummy Tuck as an alternative to weight loss. That just does not work well at all for the patient unless it is compromise surgery such as pannus reduction. But that is a major compromise that I rarely offer. As a surgical sculptor I prefer to use a coarse tool first and reserve my Plastic Surgery for refinement if needed. I get many patients from around the world who come to me asking for a quick fix with surgery (which I do not offer.) They tell me that they understood that would be my recommendation after reviewing my website but still needed the personal advice and help understanding why other surgeons they went to all offered their tummy tucks. However, in their review of those surgeon's work they did not like the results and need for revision surgeries. I do take a good deal of time trying to help these patients learn that living with excessive fat such as morbid obesity is just not healthy sharing the experiences of my patients who did lose the weight.

    The problem with Weight Loss is how the body adapts. For some, skin and tissues shrink nicely. But for many others it does not. For those who do not mind the loose tissues, it is no bother. But those coming to me for my help complain how they are still not happy with their bodies. You can go to the after weight loss tummy tuck patient experiences to learn their particular reasons for having surgery. (That is the emotional component I have been trying to record as well as motion these past many years.) Months to years later many of these patients come back after their weight loss. A few show me how magnificent they look, their loose skin a trivial issue. (We do not charge for these feel good consultations.) These are perfect surgical sculptures, using words alone, no knives, and no scars. For others, they tell us how they feel great after the weight loss but now want to deal with the remaining contour issues. Then it is my job to help them learn about the risks, benefits, and alternative methods of care. And when appropriate, surgical sculpture.

    The method of losing weight has varied from swimming, athletics, the gym, dancing, dieting, and many other options beyond my areas of expertise. What I can attest to is the joy on their faces and stories telling me how they feel after losing the weight.

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    Michael Bermant, M.D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greek Bonfire View Post
    You have great taste in music!!
    Thank you, my iPod is filled with eclectic music from around the world which has taken me years to assemble. One of the most powerful tools I have found has been iTunes genius capabilities and the option to preview the items before viewing. Sometimes movies lead me to music and then to movies and dancing. One such example was the Inside Man which brought me to the album Dil Se, which then brought me to the movie which was a bear to track down a DVD, but here is a dancing track from YouTube:

    YouTube - Dil Se - Chaiyya Chayyia

    No this is not belly dancing, but the beautiful body in motion. No I do not understand the language, but the DVD came with translation subtitles.

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    Gotta agree re: how different bodies adapt to weight loss. I did an interview this week with a 36 year old woman who has lost half her body weight in the last year. Her skin didn't shrink along with her body. She chose to have surgery to remove excess skin both for cosmetic reasons and because enough loose skin can get in one's way almost as inconveniently as fat.

    I've always been upfront and unapologetic about the two plastic surgeries I've had in the last 15 years. Each was in its own way life changing and dealt with issues that no amount of weight loss was going to solve. Each alleviated physical deformities that were severe enough to cause physical discomfort and draw comment from unkind people most of my life. (Dr. Greer, if you've taken up lurking in belly dance forums, this hoorah is for you. )

    Michael, though I took issue with you over your use of a particular metaphor or two, I am glad you've joined the forum. I hope you will use it as a resource to to inform yourself about the dance we all love and to gain more insight into what makes a wide variety of dancers click. The sub-forum on instructors and students contains a number of threads dealing with physical and emotional challenges, as does the sub-forum on fitness and beauty.

    May you come to feel like a true member of the forum and not merely like a doctor here to dispense medical information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post
    Gotta agree re: how different bodies adapt to weight loss. I did an interview this week with a 36 year old woman who has lost half her body weight in the last year. Her skin didn't shrink along with her body. She chose to have surgery to remove excess skin both for cosmetic reasons and because enough loose skin can get in one's way almost as inconveniently as fat.

    I've always been upfront and unapologetic about the two plastic surgeries I've had in the last 15 years. Each was in its own way life changing and dealt with issues that no amount of weight loss was going to solve. Each alleviated physical deformities that were severe enough to cause physical discomfort and draw comment from unkind people most of my life. (Dr. Greer, if you've taken up lurking in belly dance forums, this hoorah is for you. )

    Michael, though I took issue with you over your use of a particular metaphor or two, I am glad you've joined the forum. I hope you will use it as a resource to to inform yourself about the dance we all love and to gain more insight into what makes a wide variety of dancers click. The sub-forum on instructors and students contains a number of threads dealing with physical and emotional challenges, as does the sub-forum on fitness and beauty.

    May you come to feel like a true member of the forum and not merely like a doctor here to dispense medical information.
    Thank you for your comments.

    I participate in many such forums to better understand my patients and the beauty of the moving body. But my posting tends to remain in my field of expertise. I can claim none in the dancing itself, just what I like and otherwise lurk to understand other issues. However, I do tend to also answer where my expertise overlaps such as injury, recovery, video documentation, emotion issues, weight loss, and eclectic topics that vary from personal experiences.

    I also like to stimulate and extrapolate. Bringing the healing of tummy tuck in a belly dancer documentation video is a testament to evolution of a structure in motion. I am trying to get others to consider issues like using such documentation to demonstrate their own healing process or change in ability to perform a specific task over time. It can be with such analysis that we can improve ourselves. My game coming here is one of cross pollination and idea stimulation both for myself and others. If I was smart enough, I would have caught on about the belly dancing and documented that patient belly roll before surgery. Coming here is and effort to learn what else I might have missed or improve the next time, part of my continuing challenging myself to improve component.

    Here is a great fun video of dancing joy and the two become a before / after the aging process of the great Groucho Marx singing Lydia the Tattooed Lady (again not belly dancing but the body in motion):

    YouTube - Lydia the Tattooed Lady

    YouTube - Groucho Marx - Lydia the Tattooed Lady

    Whether it is broadway, Bollywood (my Dil Se post), or belly dancing the way the body moves has fascinated me most of my life.

    Thank you
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    But my posting tends to remain in my field of expertise.
    Well, loosen up or you aren't going to have nearly as much fun as you could have. Lydia and Groucho posts are good starts.

    I teach dance. If anyone opts for a tummy tuck at some point, I'll ask for permission to video their pre and post undulations. My students will most likely regard it as a perfectly normal request coming from me- they regard me as "creative" and it is amazing what one can get away with if one is "creative."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post
    Well, loosen up or you aren't going to have nearly as much fun as you could have. Lydia and Groucho posts are good starts.

    I teach dance. If anyone opts for a tummy tuck at some point, I'll ask for permission to video their pre and post undulations. My students will most likely regard it as a perfectly normal request coming from me- they regard me as "creative" and it is amazing what one can get away with if one is "creative."
    Thank you I will try.

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    You can do it. After all, if being a body sculptor isn't creative, what is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greek Bonfire View Post
    You have great taste in music!!
    Follow up thought, has anyone tried sharing their music on iTunes new Ping? I enable my selection by each person wanting to look needs to be approved. I am not convinced that this is a viable tool at this point in time or if there are risks to such exposure. But I do like the idea of exploring music ideas and concepts.

    Michael Bermant, M.D.

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    By chance are you a musician?
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