He said what?!

Imeera

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Sherezade: I know I agrewe with you. And to think people wil see this and think this is what belly dance is :(
Nailah_Siti: Oh my dear fluffy bunnies that is one narcissistic woman! Some of the photos are okay, but most of them are so....so.... wrong. I can't think of a better word :lol:
 

Reen.Blom

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Ladies, dont you find this dress up woman hilarious? She really looks so odd.... LOL

However yeah, hard to get away from this nasty image....

BTW many dancers that dance at restaurants take tips in their belts/bra, as some DEPEND on the money as their only source of income and it is expected by the visitors of some restaurant and yes, that can be done 'gracefully'.


I do like Sadies technique, but apart from some performances where she rolls on the floor like a cat on heat , what got me was her and kaya being in a video clip of some rapper doing exactly THAT - acting harem fantasy. YUCK!!!!!!

 

Caroline_afifi

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Who said its not bellydance?

I said that prostitutes bellydance and bellydancers prostitute in ME(and some other parts of the world for that matter), in reply to OP's surprise to hear a bellydancer called a whore by someone who is not a gentleman, anyway.

Hi Reen,
I was speaking generally here in response to a few comments by various people.

There is always talk of 'what is and isnt belly dance' in Egypt, but for me, most of what isnt belly dance comes out of the West in a variety of ways.


In many cases women have no other way to earn living, in others it is CHOICE - sex sells? who are we to judge?

Exactly, and why call people worse off than ourselves bad names?.. choice on the other hand is another matter and those who use this dance to flaunt themselves in an overtly sexual way in the name of another culture have alot to answer for.

Thank goodness that Modern Egyptian is not the only style available and we DO have a choice.

Modern Egyptian is performed by Randa, Outi, Lorna, Soraya etc. it is what it is and there is nothing wrong with it. Nightclub belly dancers are doing something different and play to a different audience.. given the chioce I am sure they would rather be university lecturers... but they are still belly dancers and that was my point.
 

Imeera

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Reen.Blom, I have seen this video before and I can say it is utterly horrible. Its gives us "real" dancers just more work to do in correcting their mistakes. I skipped though it a bit, and the bit at 3:24 is just....awful. Its such a shame to see, Sadie is good. Why should she have to do things like this?
 

Reen.Blom

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Nightclub belly dancers are doing something different and play to a different audience.. given the chioce I am sure they would rather be university lecturers...

Exactly!

What bothers me is that many gals in the west or eastern europe look at Randa and Outi and boy they are in for BIG surprise when they accept 'dance' contracts in ME at 2-3 star hotels.... cos it is not dancing that they end up doing... :mad::mad::mad::mad:

I wish there was more information available. However those with painful experiences are not likely to stand up and tell their stories....
 

RayaDancer

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see how dance can be misinterpreted by anyone? to make my point....
some one earlier brought up the dancing of "hip-hop" as whorish...... but the dance of hiphop is break dance. what you might be referring to, what you see on videos nowadays, would never be considered "hip hop dancing" (or music lol) by anyone who lives, breathes, loves and understands the culture of hip hop.
just like people who are ignorant about belly dance are going to assume that the dance is vulgar. these are people that have never seen a performance, or if they have, it was probably one of those dancers out there that make us cringe and want to scream to the public "THIS IS NOT BELLY DANCE!!!"
some dance is meant to be sexy/sexual. when i go out dancing, and i hear some hot dancehall on, you better believe imma be winding and grinding up on my husband! or shaking my booty when we salsa. And when some people dance bachata and it looks so beautiful and super sexy.... and nobody ever considers that dance to be a sexual dance, usually the songs are sad anyway!
i love to dance sexy when i go out dancing, but i feel belly dance has so much stigma attached to it, i would never even try to look sexy while i belly dance! i try to keep it cute, playful, coy; but i could never bring myself to be a Dina! :lol: i blush when i watch her sometimes!
but that stigma of belly dance being a slutty dance seems to be hard to shake off... too many people think that way..:(
 

Reen.Blom

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Reen.Blom, I have seen this video before and I can say it is utterly horrible. Its gives us "real" dancers just more work to do in correcting their mistakes. I skipped though it a bit, and the bit at 3:24 is just....awful. Its such a shame to see, Sadie is good. Why should she have to do things like this?

This is the worst part!!! She is REALLY good and so many dancers look up to her.

What can we do? Just dance, and dance with dignity, and not dress or behave like hookers... :naghty: <=== do I look patronizing enough? :lol:

I do prefer to err on the side of modesty, I can choose more coverage, so yes so goood to have a choice! Besides I just love masses of babric, feels and looks so rich and lush, much better than skimpy bra and a mini- skirt... :cool:
 

RayaDancer

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oh my goodness that sadie/kaya video again! i saw it once before and i got so upset... things like that give belly dance such a bad rep.
and i really hope no one even considers that to be hip hop.... :rolleyes:
 
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RayaDancer

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Pardon my french but what the HECK was that?!?!

and did you read the comments under the youtube video? people were actually commenting on her boobs (which is what she seemed to have wanted form what i saw of that video)
i actually performed to that first song that she "danced' to, a few weeks ago, and all the smart-alleck in me kept thinking was "oh really? THAT"S how your supposed to dance a beledi? okay good to know":rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
because it said that she has a studio and that she actually teaches?

Question: if you want to dance like that, why not teach pole dance or burlesque? both are valid forms of dance/aerobics nowadays anyway. Why corrupt a cultural art like ME dance by dancing like that?
 

BellaBohemian

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First of all, I agree with what most girls have been saying; calling someone a whore reguardless of whatever is just rude!!

I also agree that there is kind of stigma on BD that seems impossible to shake. When I told my family that I want to be a belly dancer and even (eventually) teach they all gasped and told me "You don't have to do that to yourself, there are other ways." :rolleyes: It wasn't until I got them to come see me dance with a student group did they start to understand.

Some of us on this end of the earth are captivated by the idea of being able to move in such a sexual and sensual way that very few women can. So while you have those of us who take the dance seriously, you have just as many who take the dance to a slutty place.

My friend invited me to a festival where a local group of belly dancers where going to preform, needless to say I was excited! I was even more interested when I realized I went to high school with 2 of the girls in the troupe. . .But the fun was over when they started dancing! Their first song was interpretive dance that seemed (to me and the group I was with) to have a lot of lesbian sexual connotation. But we gave them the benefit of the doubt that we just missunderstood their views. The second song however was a booty shaking, back-side to the audience dance to Akon's song "Bananza (belly dancer)". At which point, I up and left fighting the urge to yell out "frauds!".

Akon's Bananza (Belly Dancer) song if you want to hear it

But even at events where there is no sexual intention behind it, you will find someone who finds it arousing. Just like how you can take a picture of yourself sitting at your desk at work doing nothing but a sweet innocent smile, someone will find it hawt!

I guess at the end of this long-winded post I mean to say "That's life". The best we can do is our own part to try and educate those whom we can. And for those we cannot, ignore them and don't let their ignorance bother you. We're probably always going to see Halloween costumes of belly dancers that are far too revealing and cheap to do anyone justice. Just be happy knowing that you're doing whats right by you and that haters gonna hate! :lol:
 

gisela

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oh come on, there's no need to call someone a whore.
I thought that "we" were fighting for womens right to wear whatever they like without being called a whore and looked at as easy.
 

Reen.Blom

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Is it an escort lady?

Ehm... not the right to wear whatever they LIKED... someone wearing nothing might just infringe my right not wanting to SEE their private bits....

Internet is a separate thing - you got a choice to follow the link or not...

However the lady in question calls herself a belly dancer??? Its a joke of course, she can just as well call herself a nun. :)
 
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Nailah_Siti

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Whoa I totally didn't see that picture! THAT is NOT belly dance! This is a website for her husband's fantasy and that's how it should stay
 
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LuLu

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oh come on, there's no need to call someone a whore.
I thought that "we" were fighting for womens right to wear whatever they like without being called a whore and looked at as easy.

Wearing whatever someone wants is fine but standing there Boobs in plain naked view self fondling crosses the line in my book unless she is going to be a Playboy Model, but her claim is as a World Star Belly Dancer and United States Star Belly Dancer.
 

Yame

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It wouldn't matter if this woman was completely naked and having sex on camera, you have no right to call her a whore.

We all make our own choices about how to display our bodies and about how many people to have sex with or whatever. There is no need to judge other women and make derogatory remarks based on those choices.

With those things being said, this lady is not a belly dancer and it is indeed unfortunate that she does those things in association with "belly dance."
 

Belly Love

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Obviously people use the term "whore" loosely... usually when said, especially by boys, they just mean that she's slutty, permiscuous, etc.

I wouldn't call her a whore, but I think what she's doing is skanky. She obviously does not feel secure with herself and feels the need to be openly sexual with strangers to garner attention which will somehow feed her self-esteem... if she has any. All those Youtube comments about how beautiful she is don't help with her dillusions either. It's actually pretty sad.

Btw- What happened to not caring what others wear?! I was up against quite a few members here in an arguement recently where they claimed that they don't care what other people wear and said others should'nt either... I hope the members complaining about how these ladies are dressed aren't any of the the same members, because that would be hypocritical. :cool: This thread is a perfect example of my point on the subject!!! *I did admit that I was part "Archivist" warrior ;)
 
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LadyFatima

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Those videos and pictures you ladies posted are just appauling (not to mention discouraging)

The woman dancing at the wedding was DEFINATELY inappropriate, and if I had been the bride I would've been highly mortified/upset:mad: And I could definately tell that the audience was mostly men, but I seriously hope that there were no children in the audience. . .

Whether they call themselves belly dancers or not, I hate to think that it's women like that who are the EXACT reason why there's such a big misunderstanding about belly dancing in general. When you seriously do have women who are half dressed, spreading their legs, doing not sexy or sensual dancing but pretty much doing a strip tease, it's not wonder belly dancers often get mistaken as glorified lap dancers. . .

And it's not fair because for those of us who put in hours, months or even years into perfecting our craft, we have to constantly defend ourselves to others that what we are doing is meant to be beautiful and fun; something that the whole family can participate in, you know?

And I also agree with what someone else said in the fact that there's a difference between being sexy and being full out slutty. Sexiness is all about confidence: you can be dressed in a sack and be sexy, it's all about how you carry yourself, about leaving something up to the imagination.

If you're going around shaking everything you got in front of someone's face, showing off every inch of your body (or most of it anyway) where's the mystery in that?
And going slightly off topic, when it comes to touching myself while I dance. . . I NEVER do it. Oh I may put my hand on my hip sure. But actually running my hands over my body is a big no-no:naghty:
 
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