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    Default Zil Etiquette

    This thread isn't so much about practice etiquette, but performance etiquette - is there any? i genuinely don't know.


    i feel like i had heard someone here a long time ago say that you don't play while the singer is singing. is that true? does it only count for live bands? or for recordings to?

    are there other conventions like this that i should know about? i've decided to start taking my zilling seriously and there's no other dancer in trinidad dancing with zils that i can learn these things from. dvds are fine for the learning how to play, but they don't talk about performing so much.

    help?

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    You never play while the singer is singing, ever. It's his/her time to shine. But I think you need to work out with the band if it is okay to play where they are playing. I hope this helps a little.

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    ok so i remembered that one correctly, yay! does that go for recorded music as well? that you don't play during the vocals?

    Anybody else have any more tips on things you don't do while zil-ing?

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    Default You do not play during the taqsims of any type

    and you avoid competing with santour or kanun because it will mess up the sound of them.

    Actually, when there is santour or kanun, you would better arrange your zill playing with the musician, so that he/she is not covered by the zills. If necessary, you do not play the zills when there is such an instrument in the orchestra. Or, you arrange the parts where the kanun plays and where the zills play...

    Note: In case there is taqsim of let's say, an accordeon, so, there is no fear to destroy the sound, and there is constant drum to keep the beat, you ask first before you "escort" the drums with constant/typical zill playing...

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    Interesting question. My teacher covered this in class a while back and I forgot to write down! I do remember her saying no zill when an instrument is playing a solo piece. Sorry not much help! But from what I can remember, it's more or less the advice Walladah has given.
    I would imagine same rules/etiquate would apply even if it's not live music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seona View Post
    Interesting question. My teacher covered this in class a while back and I forgot to write down! I do remember her saying no zill when an instrument is playing a solo piece. Sorry not much help! But from what I can remember, it's more or less the advice Walladah has given.
    I would imagine same rules/etiquate would apply even if it's not live music.
    I think I need this explained using an actual piece of music. Lol.

    We have no live arab bands here so I'm mostly trying to figure out what I can and cannot do to recorded music

    Thanks guys! Any and all other informed responses welcome!.

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    Informed is not the word, but my gut feeling would be that you are playing an instrument so need to do it like a musician would do. So when someone else is doing their bit (singer, or instrument solo) you'd take a supporting role with the zills.

    (but at least with a CD there's no musicians to give you evils or start messing with you if you transgress any unwritten rules!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniseteph View Post
    ... you are playing an instrument so need to do it like a musician would do.
    That.

    I have little music instruction but basically that's it. All the instruments in a band / orchestra need to complement each other, regardless if it is a live performance or not. You are adding your sound on top of everyone else's so you need to make sure that the sounds "match". Most of this is gut feeling but in general you'll want to play when there is a constant and loud flow from the drums (i.e., no solo from the soft instruments) or when there is a pause on the drums but with no other instrument filling the gap, so that you can make a "question and answer" play with the drum.

    You asked specifically about etiquette though, and that only applies with a live band. In that case the etiquette, as pointed out before, is: work it out with the band, preferably during rehearsal.

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    And do not play if you're not good at it especially with live musicians. But even to a cd I wouldn't zill unless I was good at it. It's painful for the audience.

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