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    Quote Originally Posted by Daimona View Post
    Teachers who bring their personal problems to class and use the group of (paying) students as her therapy group.
    Oh yes! And then slam other dancers/teachers/upcoming dancers as well. Ugh!

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    Teachers who are only there for the social side of it and chat (and help) their friends more in the group than the other students.

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    I have to second the complaint for the teachers that don't tell you that you are doing something wrong, or offer no feedback whatsoever.

    As for anyone having their own place in class, well, you NEED to switch places in the room so that when you have to do your dancing elsewhere, the change in orientation and scenery does not throw you off! And, yes, if we have a choreo that has a formation, and someone does not show up, the formation has to change! Don't let them get stuck in one spot!

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    It's such a pity this thread has died off. As a teacher I've been watching this thread with interest and taking notes. Is there really nothing more that annoys students in their classrooms?

    If you have a nice long list of grievances or gripes but don't want to come across poorly online, please pm me about them. This sort of feedback informs and improves the classroom.
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    I think the only other thing I would add is paitence.

    Like many others, I am visual learner, I need to see something a few times, take in the WHOLE picture before it actually clicks as to what Im suppose to do. I think its fair to say most dancers learn by doing, so I think it throws my teachers off when I stand still and watch them haha! They are never mean about it, but they say something every time. I have an uber nice teacher so typically its words of encouragment or her asking if I need help, but more times then not I just need those few extra seconds to watch. I struggle the most with where to place my feet so if I dont watch the teacher's feet prior to actually doing a movement, I will (and have) fall lol.

    All that was a very round-about way of saying, give students a few moments to collect themselves. Or even, be more observant to how they are learning. Do they close their eyes to hear or feel the move better? Are they watching themselves or you in the mirror intently? Are they jumping right in and following you?
    Im not too shy to speak up if I am struggling, but a lot of people are. If you can get a feel for how they are learning you can help to give them pointers that will be more geared to how they think.

    I swear everytime I post something on here I feel like it makes no sense haha.

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    I hate it when there's no reverence or curtsey at the end of a class. I like an "end of class" ritual.

    Also, I know a lot of my classmates don't agree with me, but I really don't like when my teacher runs through choreographpy with us every single time. I get too dependent on teacher and don't *really* learn the dance. If it's an 8 week class by week 6 I want the teacher to run it with us less and I don't want her to run it at all with us the last class. I want to know the dance independently of if my teacher is dancing it with me/us or not.

    Oh and people getting attached to a spot! I like it when teacher rotates lines regularly and I try to not always stand on the same side of the room too. I like it when a teacher encourages people to try out different parts of the room. Spot territory behavior makes me mental!

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    Why don't we talk about the positives, instead of the negatives?

    I find it helpful/useful/enjoyable when my teacher/s...

    1) demonstrate choreography to music, before and after teaching it to us (this is so inspiring!)
    2) use two or three explanations when teaching a new isolation, e.g. a visualisation, a physiological analysis of what muscles and bones should be doing, and describing sensations i.e. "how it feels when I do this"
    3) go over a new combination a few times at different speeds with the class, stopping to polish the sections that are giving the class trouble
    4) give little bits of relevant cultural background for isolations, choreos, etc
    5) after a workshop, give a list of what music we've been training with
    6) hint at directions that could "stretch" the ability of the more advanced students in the class, so the students can follow those up in their own time
    7) use repetition in class, going over previously-learnt isolations and combinations, but at a "beginner" speed so we can check we haven't picked up bad habits in our technique during practice at home
    8) demonstrate their love and respect for the belly dance form they are teaching, by communicating their depth of knowledge
    9) demonstrate compassion and respect for their students (i.e. professionalism and guidance without ego)
    10) give us news about what is happening in our local belly dance community; haflas, workshops, visiting artists, new DVDs and CDs.

    I expect my fellow students to...
    1) respect the teacher/s by turning up before class starts, and give the teacher/s full attention during class, and follow the teacher/s' instructions at all times
    2) respect me as I respect them; be courteous and friendly, and make allowances where necessary for someone who might have had a rough day.

    When I was learning martial arts, we had a sheet outlining school etiquette - what to wear, how to behave. There was also a school pledge, which we recited at the end of each class time, about respect and honour. Simple but effective; we all took these to heart and anyone who didn't was soon removed from the school. I know that sounds a bit drastic, but perhaps belly dance teachers should have similar things for their students?

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    Oh, I forgot this one!

    I really like it when my teacher/s

    11) make the class perform the well-practiced choreography, and the teacher/s watch so they can see what sections need to be worked on. (Critique optional!)


    I should also add that, in our martial arts school, learning the school pledge and other oral stuff was part of our grading system. No pledge, no pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onela View Post
    I like an "end of class" ritual.
    That would be really nice.

    A few minutes at the end of class to take notes on what needs to be done before the next class would be invaluable as well.

    I also (like many others) want to know when I am doing something right or wrong. Yes I know it's a large class and I don't want to take the teachers time from the others but consistent feedback is really useful especially since I am so bad at reading faces, I can't guess just by watching your reaction.

    If you have a choreography to teach please have a handout that writes it out completely. I will not be able to remember it at home well enough to practice and I want to use class time to learn new things instead of only practicing something we've already been taught because I don't know what I'm doing.

    Please, please, please prepare me for something new when it comes to performing or a public appearance. I want to know not only what to expect but exactly what will be expected from me. Don't assume I'll figure it out.

    Lastly I am going to say I am grateful for a teacher willing to take someone with my health problems, I am sure it's not as simple as teaching someone in good health. It does mean though that there will be times when everything goes right over my head no matter how hard I try to concentrate. I know it but there is nothing I can do so please be patient, I'll get it later when I'm feeling better.

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    Za Linda - great list. (every time I read these sort of things I am grateful for my teacher who ticks so many boxes it's sickening... yup, we do that, and that, and are there classes where people don't do this? ... )

    I think it depends on the type of class as to whether there are pledges etc, or closing rituals. (Unless, "OK that's all the time we have, thank you ladies and see you next week" counts). I seem to remember curtseys in ballet when I was little, but outside the serious dance school environment I'd find it weird and I've never seen it in a belly dance class or workshop.

    I realise there are some people who could do with taking a pledge as to how to behave in a class environment, but this could come across as extremely patronising and offensive, and for belly dance I would hate it. A handout on expectations in class is fine, likewise Adult Ed's small print about what is acceptable and at what point the teacher can chuck you out, or a troupe contract on choreographies/costumes etc... But I'm not taking a pledge to anyone in the name of belly dance, or to anyone's school or interpretation of belly dance. Not even if you are Nesrin Topkapi.

    OK, maybe if you are Nesrin Topkapi I'll think about it.

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