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    Wow this thread took right off.

    Yes the last picture in my first post was an exaggeration. Just saying that BD seems fine for children depending on things like costuming, and technique. I wouldn't have my kid doing more of the sensual moves, but there are plenty of moves children can practice that aren't inappropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reen.Blom View Post
    A child on playground or soccer practice versus on stage in makeup, crop top, doing hip circles? Sorry biiiig difference for me.

    I personally have seen too many kiddies on stage bellydancing, participating bellydance competitions and little 8 year old divas waaaaay sexed up, resembling grownup hookers in their glitter eyeshadows.

    So I prefer to err on side of safe.... To each their own I guess. After all, it is perfectly ok for their parents and teachers.... so.....
    Little girls in ballet recitals wear makeup, leotards and tutus which IMO are much more revealing than most child-appropriate belly dance costumes, but no one seems to have a problem with that.

    Little girls in gymnastics competitions wear even less, plus makeup, plus they crotch their audiences and spread their legs, etc.

    Are these things meant to be provocative? No. Could they be construed as such? Certainly. The same holds for belly dance.

    If you are also against these forms of performance then fine. If not, then there is a double standard going on here.

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    And let's not mention beauty pageants, where little girls wear way too much makeup, often dress inappropriately for their age and move in very suggestive ways. But that's an entirely different debate...

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    Of course Its a double standard! Belly dance has a 'reputation'! Upheld bu cheap and expensive dancers prostituting in Middle East. Also by certain well known dancers in the west choosing tacky costuming and over sexualising the dance.

    Oh and ballet dancers and gymnasts do not happen to perform in harem fantasy costumes, bra being reserved for the bedroom and not the stage. Of course there HAS to be a double standard, as you can NOT equate these art forms, and yes, ours happens to come with certain unpleasant 'baggage'.

    GP is getting more and more educated and still we get queer looks on saying we bellydance, the looks we will not get if we say we do ballet and gymnastics. Sad truth it is.

    On the side not I am all for simpler more reserved costuming for kids in other forms of dance and less makeup. Take ballroom for example. However to discuss those forms of dance we have to start a new thread, here we focus on bd, obviously. A no, I do not think its ok to wear lots of makeup just because ballet dancers and gymnasts do. And mind you not all of them do either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reen.Blom View Post
    Of course Its a double standard! Belly dance has a 'reputation'! Upheld bu cheap and expensive dancers prostituting in Middle East. Also by certain well known dancers in the west choosing tacky costuming and over sexualising the dance.
    So you are deliberately choosing to view belly dance this way, even though you know that's not all there is to it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reen.Blom View Post
    Oh and ballet dancers and gymnasts do not happen to perform in harem fantasy costumes, bra being reserved for the bedroom and not the stage. Of course there HAS to be a double standard, as you can NOT equate these art forms, and yes, ours happens to come with certain unpleasant 'baggage'.
    Most child belly dancers don't perform in bras either, they perform in crop tops and long skirts, which, together, are MUCH less revealing than skin-tight leotards.
    As a child, I took gymnastics and swimming. In both these classes, I always felt NAKED. I would have felt a thousand times more covered showing a little bit of belly but with a skirt that went all the way down to my feet and was loose enough to cover me up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reen.Blom View Post
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    On the side not I am all for simpler more reserved costuming for kids in other forms of dance and less makeup. Take ballroom for example. However to discuss those forms of dance we have to start a new thread, here we focus on bd, obviously. A no, I do not think its ok to wear lots of makeup just because ballet dancers and gymnasts do. And mind you not all of them do either.
    Wearing makeup is part of stagecraft. People wear makeup when they are on stage because they need to have a face from the point of view of their audience.
    Without makeup, the features can not be seen from a distance. It doesn't matter if it's theater, if it's ballet, ballroom, or belly dance. The style and amount of makeup worn will depend on the character being portrayed. I don't care if you are 5 or 50, if you are part of a serious performance, makeup is part of the package.
    It has nothing to do with sexualizing children. Why do we have to view everything as sexual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yame View Post
    So you are deliberately choosing to view belly dance this way, even though you know that's not all there is to it.
    I do not see everything as sexual. I have just said that in the child performances that I have seen 8 year olds looked like grown up hookers, with lots of glittery makeup. Make up for stage - yes - grown - up makeup on children - no. Very fine line between VERY miniature crop tops and bras, IMHO.

    As for the reputation of bellydance, well, regardless of the fact that you prefer to equate it with ballet or ballroom or gymnastics or whatever else, it does not change the reality and its reputation maintained by raunchy costumes and behavior of many celeb dancers and prostitutes in ME.

    If you can ignore it and live your fairy tale- good luck to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reen.Blom View Post
    I do not see everything as sexual. I have just said that in the child performances that I have seen 8 year olds looked like grown up hookers, with lots of glittery makeup. Make up for stage - yes - grown - up makeup on children - no. Very fine line between VERY miniature crop tops and bras, IMHO.

    As for the reputation of bellydance, well, regardless of the fact that you prefer to equate it with ballet or ballroom or gymnastics or whatever else, it does not change the reality and its reputation maintained by raunchy costumes and behavior of many celeb dancers and prostitutes in ME.

    If you can ignore it and live your fairy tale- good luck to you.
    I don't live a fairy tale. I live in a world made up of complex realities, one of which is the nature of belly dance in the Middle East and in the minds of the public in the West.

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    I think the problem is a cultural one. In the US it is common to see young girls "tarted" up on stage dancing like little mini adults no matter what the dance style is. I am tired of seeing 12 year old (and younger) girls strutting stuff they don't have and 14 (and younger) girls pretend gang fighting or acting seductive. I've seen it in Jazz, Modern, Latin, you name it, so I can certainly understand a blanket concern on the subject when that is the majority of the stuff out there.

    Personally I have no problem with it if the kids are being taught to express themselves as opposed to pop culture, if they dress and dance in a way appropriate to their age, in fact I love it but I will admit that doesn't happen that often. I have seen a higher ratio of appropriate dancing in bellydance however so maybe as a group we are more aware of the problem for all the reasons listed above and make that choice because of it.

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    Just earlier today I came across these videos. It made think. It's not inappropriate or overly sexual IMO but there is something a bit weird about it. I think it is because the girls look really young but have a very mature style. As good as they are they kind of look like mini adults or something. What do you think?



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    I don't think bra tops and thigh-high slits are appropriate for children, but this I find totally cool:

    YouTube - 1254 - Darya MATIASH

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