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    A year later. I get a belated pm from Amora, apparently mad at Leyla:

    This is the message that was sent:
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    Dear Amanda? Sorry I do not know your name.

    Well, I am Amora Shams, I came across this forum by mistake, but I have to say something:

    I just hate when people talks about someone who doesn't even know.

    Isn't funny?

    In actual fact, Madam Leyla who posted also a forum against me, didn't allow my comments, if you look for them, you won't find them, she deleted them.

    The funny thing, it's that seems that it's very common that in USA people likes to critizy about everything.

    The reason why my students (who do the course) learn to become Belly Dancers in just 20 days, it's because I teach totally different to all the teachers I know around the world.

    It's nothing to do with being famous, it's to be about being honest and direct.

    If you are teaching slowly, of corse will take 4 years to learn, but I have over my sholders more than 20 years teaching bellydance in a very intensive way, so everyone who passes through my hands, they become bellydancers in RECORD TIME.

    The proove of what I am telling you, its it the comments of my students and the video I posted them in my website Become a Belly Dancer - Danza del Vientre - orientalischer Tanz - ????? ?????? - ????? - Arabiako dantza - αραβικ? χορ? - ???????? ????? - ??????? - Arabische dans - Arab tánc - G?arbi ?fin - ???? (????

    And I will like to add you, that since few months ago, the UNESCO has recognised my Certificates, so now it's not only from my individual point of view as a bellydancer recognised as one of the best in different countries, now also the UNESCO and the CID are recognising that my certificates are a proove that what I teach and my students learn it's high quality.

    It's true that when my students end the 70hBDC are just BellyDancers with little experience, this it's why they have to do a second course to complete them selfs as Professional High Quality BellyDancers.

    This Second Course I share it with Madam Zaki from Egypt, and if you know who it's Souhair Zaki, then you will know who I am talking about it's not a beginner BellyDancer, it's the BEST BELLYDANCER in the last century under the point of view of most Egyptians.

    If I was that bad dancer or teacher, Madam Zaki will not like to work with me as a teacher.

    Next time, before making offensive comments about anyone's work, please make a proper research about that person.

    Warm Regards
    Amora Shams



    On her web site she mentions training with SAHAR Zaki, who she says is Suhair's sister, so she's misrepresenting herself a bit in this message.

    Amora, I apologize for being snarky, but such a questionable claim requires a very strong amount of proof. I am prepared to change my mind if I see graduate dancers from your program performing as well as the professional Egyptian dancers touring in the US.

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    Default Talking about someone whithout knowing her way of teaching and her students resoults.

    Hi everyone!

    It's so funny how people likes to talk about someone whithout knowing her way of teaching and her students resoults.

    Please visit:
    students commenting: Amora Shams belly dance students feedbacks and forum
    students video dancing after the course: http://www.becomeabellydancer.com/

    I know that most of the teachers around the world will hate someone like me, but talking about me without making a deep research, or a minimum research as checking students commenting about the course, or trying to contact them on facebook, or watching students Belly Dancing after the course, well... what shall I say?

    You think that's fare?, to talk about someone without knowing that person's work?

    I will like to say few things:

    I have over my sholders more than 20 years teaching intensively experience

    I grew up between bellydancers and I start to BellyDance at home at the age of 8, but my mother didn't allow me to dance with public until she gave me her intensive private classes, so in theory I started to BellyDance in year 1993 when I was 17.

    So I grew up in the atmosphere of BellyDance school. I didn't go to learn from any teacher that normally they teach you VERY slowly, beacuse they earn more money teaching you slowly in few years because like that they have that money as a monthly guarantee, and like that they do not get a competence taking them the teacher or dancer jobs, at the contrary, my mother was very exigent with me, she said to me, until you are not the best I will not allow you to dance in front of public.

    And trust me, when I started to dance I was the best! very beginner bellydancer, but the best in every place I danced. But until I didn't leave Spain, I was not that recognised ,I was just recognised by the arabian restaurants, but ths spaniard didn't know what was that about BellyDance in those moments. Even so, for 3 summers people from all Spain use to cross the country (more than 1000km) to come to see me and my mother performing at a place called "La Jaima de Caños de Meca" and they named us "Las Moras de Caños" (that means: the Morish of Caños).

    In Casablanca I did a competition in the Sheraton Hotel "against" the queen of BellyDance, the public had to choose the best dancer, and they chose me as the best BellyDancer in Morocco in year 1997.

    In Paris while I was dancing in 3 places at the same time, they did another quest, and they chose me telling me that I was the best in France, that was year 1998.

    In Egypt after I did an audition at the Sheraton Hotel Montazah in Alexandria I was told that I was the best foreigner bellydancer that they saw in Egypt, and guess what, also I was told the same in the Sheraton Hotel in Sharm El Sheikh where I was working as a contracted BellyDancer, that was year 2008.

    Maybe I am not the best dancer in the world nowadays, I really admire many dancers myself, but what it is unfare, it's to insult me and my work, specially if you do not know me at all. I say this to you as a dancer, who says how difficult was for you to learn, and to anyone who says the same you say.

    Because the reality, even if I grew up between dancers and my mother was my only teacher, was very hard for me to learn to BellyDance as a Professional dancer, took me many years, and this it's because each person has a different way of learning depending on the teacher methods and students willings.

    My mother wanted the best for me, and she taught me in a very hard way, always telling me that all what i was doing was wrong, ... and Iwill never say that to my students, because if I use that method, I know by shure (from my own experience) that they will get stressed up and do it worst, so they will take ages to learn, like I did.

    There are many other ways to get a student to do specific things, and from my experience, I CAN TEACH TO BE A BELLYDANCER TO ANYONE WHO REALLY WANTS TO LEARN IN JUST 20 DAYS, independly from their starting level. If you do not belive me, I invite you to ask my students and check by yourself that the Courses I offer are totally TRUE.

    I am not a scammer or I am not lying to anyone, I am just a teacher who helps those who really want to learn properly in record time.

    And the prove it's that Madam Zaki (sister of SOUHAIR ZAKI) it's sharing with me the 2nd course, the course to Become a World Wide Recognsied BellyDancer by the UNESCO.

    Visit the website for more information about all this: http://www.BecomeBellyDancer.com/

    Warm Regards
    Amora Shams
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    Come to Egypt now, I will be in Cairo in few days. I do not have evey day American students, but if you sent a Beginner NOW, trust me, I she will be your competence in few days!

    By the way, yes Madam Zaki it's Sahar Zaki as I said in my post in the forum. English it's not my first languaje, so sometimes I do mistakes when I explain things. I speak Spanish, French, English and Arabic, so with so many languajes, I get confused many times. Was not in purpose to make you understand that Souhair Zaki was the teacher, if you know Souhair Zaki, she it's not teaching or dancing any more, but YES, Sahar Zaki it's her sister, and she it's the teacher who I share the second course, because she doesn't know how to teach beginners, she just teaches Professional Dancers to dance like her sister Souhair Zaki.

    And also I sent you a messege to you because I was trying to reply to the post and just gave me the option to sent private messege to the posters at that moment, but after 2 hours, letted me to post it in the public forum.

    and about the year thing, today it's the first time I see this forum. I just registered if you see it. I dindn't know about this forum until I was seaching in the internet about the UNESCO registered me in their listing's in early's 90's. And that's how I found about this forum.

    My Godness! my students always tells me not to get ungry with this because I know who I am and they also know that, but to be honest, I hate when people talks about people's works just to hurt them, without knowing them at all.

    Thanks God, God it's over all of us, and God will protect those who are truthful.

    Amora Shams

    Quote Originally Posted by Aziyade View Post
    A year later. I get a belated pm from Amora, apparently mad at Leyla:

    This is the message that was sent:
    ***************
    On her web site she mentions training with SAHAR Zaki, who she says is Suhair's sister, so she's misrepresenting herself a bit in this message.

    Amora, I apologize for being snarky, but such a questionable claim requires a very strong amount of proof. I am prepared to change my mind if I see graduate dancers from your program performing as well as the professional Egyptian dancers touring in the US.
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    Those are pretty spectacular claims and if you put them on the internet why be surprised or offended that people with years of experience otherwise as teachers, professionals and students have opinions?

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    And I stick to my statement that no raw beginner can learn belly dance (beyond basics) in 20 days. The physical conditioning alone takes longer - let alone musicality and the huge list of extras she lists.

    Asking if raw students thought they had learnt to belly dance or liked the course is not a measure. A measure would be to take people with no previous dance experience - put them through the course and have an independent experienced dancer test them on technique, musicality, improvisation, use of props, cultural knowledge etc.

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    Of course, anyone can have opinions but with foundations on knowing the teacher and her students resoults.

    If you do NOT have those basics, you can NOT have truthfully an opinion, you will be just guessing from your own experiences as a student or a teacher.

    In fact this it's the 2nd Forum in all the World (both in the USA), were they say that I am a "scammer", and those who afirmate such an insultive comment they DO NOT KNOW ME AT ALL !!!

    Do you think that's fair?

    Amora Shams


    Quote Originally Posted by Aniseteph View Post
    Those are pretty spectacular claims and if you put them on the internet why be surprised or offended that people with years of experience otherwise as teachers, professionals and students have opinions?
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    I disagree that you need to know anything about the teacher or her students to have an opinion on her claims.

    It's absolutely NOT guessing for an experienced teacher to say "with my knowledge and experience of belly dancing and teaching it to students I think this is an unreasonable timescale for them to absorb the depth of knowledge and skill that I would expect in a professional belly dancer". It's an entirely valid opinion.

    I would say it is unfair to call anyone a scammer without having a fair idea of their motives and that they knew they were not delivering what they were claiming to.

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    I'm actually kind of interested in creating a dialogue about this topic -- what is the bare minimum of stuff that we absolutely need to know in order to be professional dancers?

    A lot of us here have side interests in the history, music, regional folk dancers, etc. But what if your goal is to simply be a "professional bellydancer" -- and let's assume working in a nightclub or hotel is your goal.

    I want to spin this off as its own thread, but Amora, I hope that you will contribute to it. I would like to use the syllabus on your site as well as the syllabi of other professional dancers training programs, so everybody grab your favorite program and let's talk about what we NEED to know, and how effectively we can convey that to students in the shortest time period possible.

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    I think --- just maybe -- we have a slight "lost in translation" moment here.

    I'm not sure that Amora is actually saying she will take a raw beginner and in 20 days give them the knowledge they need to know in order to be a professional dancer. I think she is offering professional training programs, and one of those is the pro dancer course. (Similar to Hadia's then?)

    week belly dance courses & UNESCO.

    70 hours to learn the basics. Then 80 hours to learn "perfection" -- or professional techniques. That makes a lot more sense to me.

    Perhaps when she's saying "professional" she's not using that word the same way a native English speaker would use it, as in ready to go out and get a job -- ?

    Amora, if I have misunderstood your information, then I apologize. I would suggest (and this is not to be mean or insulting) that you work with an English translator to make the wording on your website more clear.

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    If you really want to go to Egypt, go to Ahlan Wa Sahlan and/or take some privates with Raqia Hassan. Other great teachers are Aida Nour and Mahmoud Reda, the great dancers are Dina, Soraia Zaied, Randa Kamel, Tito, and others. Many of these people also tour in other countries, especially now that the situation in Egypt isn't so bright. None of these people will claim they can teach you how to be a great dancer in a month. Because they can't. But if you work hard, training with them will greatly improve your dancing in a month.

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