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    Quote Originally Posted by Mosaic View Post
    No I didn't, I got the lyrics from the website AllTheLyrics. That is where I check for lyrics. They are also not laid out as you have them laid out on your website either. If someone else cut & pasted from your website and reformatted I'm sorry, but I certainly don't appreciated being accused on the forum in such a manner. It would have been more polite to PM about the matter. I have never been to your website until now - (followed your link in your post)
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    PS: Here is the link to AllTheLyrics Solved: Soya soy, habibi haba soy?
    Thanks for the link. There is no question that they were absolutely lifted from my site for the allthelyrics thread, as the layout is the same, as are all the details (down to an inadvertent typo--'handuff', whoops!--and the asterisks and explanations. I know my work. I was pretty hurt to see them here without a link back to my site, but it was certainly not my intention to pass the hurt I felt back on to you, and I clearly have. Had you provided a link initially I would have just made a comment over at the other forum.

    I am very sorry to have put you on the spot like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gisela View Post
    I will do my absolute best to have them understand that bellydance is more than flinging fabric Promise! I consider not adding the veil at once to get the training more focused on the body than the veil.

    These girls *should* have at least half a year of previous dance experience. The shortest sessions around here run for one semester and at the place I will work you sign up for a whole year at once. That said, you never know if someone is a beginner but can't come to the beginnersclass because of stuff etc etc. We'll see...
    I'm sure you'll do great and that it will be fun, Gisela!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monica View Post
    Thanks for the link. There is no question that they were absolutely lifted from my site for the allthelyrics thread, as the layout is the same, as are all the details (down to an inadvertent typo--'handuff', whoops!--and the asterisks and explanations. I know my work. I was pretty hurt to see them here without a link back to my site, but it was certainly not my intention to pass the hurt I felt back on to you, and I clearly have. Had you provided a link initially I would have just made a comment over at the other forum.

    I am very sorry to have put you on the spot like that.
    Monica if you don't want people to steal lyrics then you will need to incorporate some kind of coding in your webpage to keep sites like that from copying them. All they do is automatically scan webpages for lyrics and then add it to their website. More than half the time it is just a computer program doing this. Once it is on one website like that then similar websites to it copy from that website. Computer programs don't read disclaimers. Most likely by now, if this has happened, your lyrics are all over the internet and there is no possible way to police that or change it.

    Now if the song is not yours then you have no legal right to the lyrics. Also if all you did was translate them into another language then you also have no legal right to the translation as anyone could translate them if they wanted to and the translation will always be the same. So if this is the case and you don't want them taken then remove them from the internet. If you don't own the song or lyrics, you have no legal grounds for intellectual property right, copyright, or ownership. Actually if you make it sound like you have ownership, as you are, then the real artist could actually sue you for stealing their lyrics, translated or not.
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    Dunno the legalities, but I can see how someone could have rights over a translation. If it's at the level of "Happy Birthday To You", no, but a more creative piece of writing could involve much more creative and interpretative input from a translator to get the sense of it right.

    But yeah, once it's all over the web there's not much you can do.


    Back to topic - how did it go Gisela?

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    I don't know about the legal rights either but I don't see Monica threatening to sue or forbidding to use the lyrics, just asking people to post a link instead of copy/paste.
    Even if noone on this forum was the "bad guy" this time, it IS a good reminder to make a note of where we find lyrics and stuff on the net. I often see people posting quotes from forums and saying that they wish they could remember who said it...
    anyways....

    Hey it went pretty good

    Sweet sweet girls in the class, 11 had signed up and paid but only 8 was there. I hope the rest was just unable to come the first time. One more has signed up since so now they are twelve. I think there needs to be 15 for the class to continue after oct. so I am a bit nervous about that.

    I was upfront with them and said I had never taught a weekly class before, only one-time things and in my troupe (which is more showing the new choreo than teaching), and that I would probably be a teeny bit confused the first time, but I was happy to be there and looking forward to having the class. They were very understanding about this.

    then I talked a little about what we will work on and what my goals for them are- as in, what I hope that my teaching will give them, and what I focus on. They liked the music for the veil dance and were generally positive.

    warm up, doing basic moves-drills, a little bit of everything to check their level out, and then my Ipod died had a backup cd, phew... some arabesques in place and across the floor, began some turn-practice with introduction to spotting technique, played the music for the choreo, tried out the first few bars of the choreo three times, then the backup cd died.... I mean, COME ON! gimme a break ...

    we were nearly done and the cd wanted ONLY to play the cool down/stretch music so it was ok.

    You think I was being tested by the big mothergod of Bellydance? To see if I would handle it? Well, I did, I enjoyed it and I'm coming back with a revived iPod and a new cd next week!

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    Glad to hear the class went well ( except for the dying music LOL!) Hopefully the rest of the sign-ups will turn up so your class can continue.
    ~Mosaic
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    Music malfunction happens to the best of us. And if the music completely dies, you can clap or zill out some rhythms. There's always a way.


    I had the lights go out on one of my classes once. That was exciting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darshiva View Post
    I had the lights go out on one of my classes once. That was exciting!
    An opportunity for improvising without feeling so exposed!

    Well done Gisela, hope you get those extra numbers.

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