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    Is floorwork commonly taught in the Egyptian style? I thought that, given it's still banned in Egypt, it would not be a particularly prominent aspect of the style, so i'm not surprised that your teacher isn't covering it as standard, Ismaila

    I've not learnt much Egyptian stuff, and all the floorwork I've done has been either Turkish or tribal fusion. It's unspeakably hard work- I have to drill squats for weeks beforehand if i want to have a hope of doing it right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilithNoor View Post
    Is floorwork commonly taught in the Egyptian style? I thought that, given it's still banned in Egypt, it would not be a particularly prominent aspect of the style
    The only floorwork I've done with Egyptian teachers has been in folkloric styles rather than Orientale - khaleegy, shammadan, awalim. It is quite different from what I think of as American floorwork - ie sometimes it is just a descent to the floor for a short time then back up (the exception being Aida's awalim bum shuffle shimmy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kashmir View Post
    The only floorwork I've done with Egyptian teachers has been in folkloric styles rather than Orientale - khaleegy, shammadan, awalim.
    Yeah, shamadan was the only Egyptian style I could think of that might commonly involve floorwork. never heard of awalim- off to google it now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aziyade View Post
    Floorwork in a mixed level class can be a nightmare. It takes a while to build up the strength for even the most basic of movements, and the teacher has to rely upon the students to practice and condition routinely AT HOME, which some will and some won't. For safety reasons, a lot of ACE and AFAA certified instructors won't even attempt teaching floorwork in their once-weekly classes. It's too easy for students to get hurt.

    I haven't yet met an Egyptian style instructor who put the focus on floorwork. So if your teacher is primarily teaching Egyptian, don't count on her having a thorough knowledge enough of it to teach it -- or if she feels it's not an integral part of the dance, she may not want to spend the class time addressing it. Private lessons may be an option, or she may refer you to videos or another instructor.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, Aziyade. Floorwork in Egyptian style is like veil work, right? Neither are a part of authentic Egyptian, but when an Egyptian dancer does either one, it's only for a brief moment?


    Quote Originally Posted by Yame View Post
    Yes. Not all teachers are qualified to teach everything, and certain things don't work well in certain classes as you and others above have pointed out.
    That is true. My own teacher admits that she's not very good at teaching zills, but she does have advanced students who are knowledgeable in this area, and qualified to teach zill classes. She also attends workshops that includes zill work, and encourages us to attend these workshops.

    oO;; I didn't realize until I say Yame's last reply that there was another page! Sorry if my reply above on floorwork is repetitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farasha Hanem View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, Aziyade. Floorwork in Egyptian style is like veil work, right? Neither are a part of authentic Egyptian, but when an Egyptian dancer does either one, it's only for a brief moment?
    I think Egyptian floor work is little different from roll over the floor thing.

    I saw Nagwa Foaud did floor work with Saidi/cane number.


    Here is Samia Gamal's floor work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farasha Hanem View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, Aziyade. Floorwork in Egyptian style is like veil work, right? Neither are a part of authentic Egyptian, but when an Egyptian dancer does either one, it's only for a brief moment?
    Basically, yeah I think so -- but also, there's what was done THEN and what was done NOW. My own teacher is quite the veil fanatic and uses it a LOT -- a lot more than you ever saw Egyptians using in the 90s. I haven't seen any of the Raqia generation (or her students) take to veil quite so much, and I don't see the Aida group pushing it. But that's just my limited observation.

    I think SOME floorwork (as evidenced by shamadan and the awalim stuff -- and old Fifi Abdo video - lol) is certainly authentic to Egyptian dance, but like other people have said, the kind of floorwork I personally think of (cause I'm American) is the American style, where the dancer would wear the big circle skirt and could literally crawl around the floor, unhindered by her costume. The modern Egyptian costuming really doesn't allow for that kind of movement -- and it does seem to be "looked down upon" by many of the Egyptian instructors I've worked with. But not all.

    Is it still illegal? I don't know -- but floorwork requires a venue that can really show that off, like an elevated stage, and most of the performance video coming from Egypt now does not show a venue where floorwork would be appreciated.

    There were a lot of things that were "illegal" in Egypt at one time or another, but various famous dancers were able to get away with. Morocco's location videos show I think Aza Sharif doing a whole routine based on the "dance hall girl" and she is able to get away with more because she's playing a character. Technically Dina's belly chain constituted a covered navel -- simply because she was Dina. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darshiva View Post
    Please don't think me rude for asking, but why on earth would you want to learn floorwork if you're so concerned about modesty that it affects your costume choice?

    I personally don't teach OR perform floorwork because I feel it ties in too quickly to the bellydancer=hooker trope.
    Because she likes floorwork? I love floorwork. It makes me happy. I also need to be super conservative in my costuming. The naysayers here claim it's not about dancing, just the costume, so I make sure it stays about the costume and not the dancing. Floorwork CAN be very classy, dramatic, etc. without being raunchy.

    Yeah- just ask. If the teacher isn't comfortable teaching floorwork (not everyone is) ask if she can point you towards resources to help you study that specialty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farasha Hanem View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, Aziyade. Floorwork in Egyptian style is like veil work, right? Neither are a part of authentic Egyptian, but when an Egyptian dancer does either one, it's only for a brief moment?
    Floor work used to be part of authentic Egyptian style, but it was banned in the 1950's when the government was trying to clean up the nightclubs.

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    Yeah, my dance teacher wants my back to be stronger before I get started on the floor work. I am so glad that she cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aziyade View Post
    Basically, yeah I think so -- but also, there's what was done THEN and what was done NOW. My own teacher is quite the veil fanatic and uses it a LOT -- a lot more than you ever saw Egyptians using in the 90s. I haven't seen any of the Raqia generation (or her students) take to veil quite so much, and I don't see the Aida group pushing it. But that's just my limited observation.

    I think SOME floorwork (as evidenced by shamadan and the awalim stuff -- and old Fifi Abdo video - lol) is certainly authentic to Egyptian dance, but like other people have said, the kind of floorwork I personally think of (cause I'm American) is the American style, where the dancer would wear the big circle skirt and could literally crawl around the floor, unhindered by her costume. The modern Egyptian costuming really doesn't allow for that kind of movement -- and it does seem to be "looked down upon" by many of the Egyptian instructors I've worked with. But not all.

    Is it still illegal? I don't know -- but floorwork requires a venue that can really show that off, like an elevated stage, and most of the performance video coming from Egypt now does not show a venue where floorwork would be appreciated.

    There were a lot of things that were "illegal" in Egypt at one time or another, but various famous dancers were able to get away with. Morocco's location videos show I think Aza Sharif doing a whole routine based on the "dance hall girl" and she is able to get away with more because she's playing a character. Technically Dina's belly chain constituted a covered navel -- simply because she was Dina. lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by shiradotnet View Post
    Floor work used to be part of authentic Egyptian style, but it was banned in the 1950's when the government was trying to clean up the nightclubs.

    Thank you very much, Aziyade and Shira, for your replies. I think now I remember this discussion in another thread, and someone mentioning that floorwork is/was illegal in Egypt, but my memory isn't what it used to be anymore!

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