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    Okay, it seems the class is into veils now and so we are learning a veil choreography and so I need a veil, so I wish to ask how big and what material?

    But I am just joining the choreo after being away for a few weeks and so last class I spent more time wearing the thing instead of deftly manipulating it into a seamless spectacle as wrapping it around my head I was good at and veils that's all I need, a big flag to show how useless I am at upper body movement, as sure the lower half stuff, no problem, but doing stuff with the upper half at the same time really challenges my dyspraxia issues, but I will get there at some point.

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    Standard for beginners is 5mm silk 45"x108". You can just buy 3 yrds off a bolt and roll the raw edges.

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    Veils are generally 2.5 to 4 yards of flowing material with 3 yards considered standard. This can be lightweight silk, chiffon, organza, or other flowing fabric. Different materials will give different effects and work best for different uses. There are rectangle, rounded rectangle, half circle and 3/4 circle veils. They can have weighted or unweighted edges depending on need. Width of the veil also varies, but 36, 45, and 60 inches are common measurements depending on veil type

    I would recommend talking with your instructor to find the best veil for this choreography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahsati_janan View Post
    Veils are generally 2.5 to 4 yards of flowing material with 3 yards considered standard. This can be lightweight silk, chiffon, organza, or other flowing fabric. Different materials will give different effects and work best for different uses. There are rectangle, rounded rectangle, half circle and 3/4 circle veils. They can have weighted or unweighted edges depending on need. Width of the veil also varies, but 36, 45, and 60 inches are common measurements depending on veil type

    I would recommend talking with your instructor to find the best veil for this choreography.
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    Do ask the instructor as she probably has a particular type in mind.

    In absence of any other guidance, I recommend either an 8mm silk (I love 5mm, but it can be VERY frustrating!) - or an Organza. Organza usually needs to have the cr@p beat out of it in the washing machine a couple or 3 times before it will flow right. In any event, no larger than 3 yards for your first.

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    Check with your teacher because the standard in New Zealand is 120cm chiffon 2.5-3m long (length depends on student - most of my beginners' first veils are 2.5m). Straight off the roll. Hem both ends.

    Having a student with a silk veil would look very different in a student troupe because if moves very differently. Also, the type of moves I normally put in beginner veil would not work well with a light silk. Also check if there colour guidelines - they may be a simple as a solid jewel colour or they may be a specific colour.

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    Also, if the veils need to match...if one person washes their veil, then everyone needs to. The same fabric will move very differently if the sizing has been washed out.

    (voice of experience ;-) )

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanjar View Post
    Okay, it seems the class is into veils now and so we are learning a veil choreography and so I need a veil, so I wish to ask how big and what material?
    For material, see the previous answers (shortly: check what the rest of your classmates and the teacher are using). Not all fabrics are suited for all types of veil work.

    As for veil, how big it should be depends on your size (mainly your height or arm length) and your preferred style/preferations (some prefer really big veils, other smaller veils, some moves are better to do with a larger veil, or half circle veil etc).

    To quote one of my first posts on this forum:
    Quote Originally Posted by Daimona View Post
    I use this rule of thumb when buying georgette/chiffon for my rectangular veils:
    Width/height: Somewhere between 0.9 m and 1.3 m wide.
    Length: App. 30-40 cm more than your height.

    The veil should also be wide enough to cover the butt, i.e. the distance from the top of your shoulders to the bottom of your butt. If the veil is wider than the distance from the top of your shoulders to below your knees, it would be more difficult to dance with for an inexperienced dancer.

    Tips: If the fabric is 1.5m wide, cutting off app. 40 cm would give a nice piece for a matching scarf to tie around your hips or your hair. I've even decorated some of these scarfs with beads to match some of my costumes.

    When the veil is app. 30-40 cm longer than your height (or distance between your fingertips), it is still easy to work with without stepping on the corners.

    Edit: Your height + 30-40 cm is ok for your standard Egyptian veil work, but this may be too short if you are doing American style cabaret wrapping yourself in the veils etc. Then I'd say add at least 1 m to your height.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba View Post
    I would recommend talking with your instructor to find the best veil for this choreography.
    This.

    Do ask the instructor as she probably has a particular type in mind.
    Good advice. I can't believe I forgot that, my mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba View Post
    or an Organza. Organza usually needs to have the cr@p beat out of it in the washing machine a couple or 3 times before it will flow right.
    I have to ask though. I made an organza veil based on your recommendation but evidently I don't know how to beat it enough. Any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariadne View Post
    I have to ask though. I made an organza veil based on your recommendation but evidently I don't know how to beat it enough. Any suggestions?
    Make sure its an organza, not a tulle!

    Have you run it through the washing machine several times?

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    Well, I have sent a message to my teacher asking for advice, but no reply yet, but I can move quickly on this as there is a shop in the town that sells organza quite cheaply it being in the covered open market where cash is king.

    But veil I am sort of new to it, i did do a workshop on it a few years ago, but I never got the grasp of it and so in class now I am just as hopeless, but I have to focus on it if I am to master it. My biggest problem in class last week was the basic movement of switching the thing up at the back so it wraps around the arms, it kept getting caught on my butt and going nowhere, then it was switching the thing from one side of the body to the other where I couldn't work out how to do it and kept getting my arms behind my head where they would go nowhere. So the choreography I was laughing my head off all the way through it. The lower movements, no problem it's just part B, what to do with the arms that I struggle with now.

    But I will get there.... eventually.

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