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    I think Didem is a young dancer (how old is she?) who has to create a new dance for every episode - perhaps once a week? If some of her dance choices are nods to other dancers, that's showbiz. I don't think she gets an opportunity to announce her inspirations, sources, and motivations...it's not a dance recital, after all.

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    I managed to watch the first clip without it breaking up and can see why it appears that way. It's the same music.

    I'm a bit confused, and this will sound like a stupid question, lol, but (although I int sure which way it goes) why would you copy another dancer anyways?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sara View Post
    I'm a bit confused, and this will sound like a stupid question, lol, but (although I int sure which way it goes) why would you copy another dancer anyways?
    Sometimes it's because dancers are incapable of creating their own choreographies. "Combinations" DVDs seem to be all the rage at the moment, I've seen performances that have been comprised of combinations from IAMED instructional DVDs, Jillina, Aziza, etc!
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    In the first video featuring Didem, there was enough similarites to Amar to safely say she was copying her. She chose the same music and performed similar accents to the music at the same time as Amar. There were only a few moments that revealed Didem's own personality. Whereas the Chinese troupe used the same music but danced with different responses. I own several "combination" videos,and after practicing with them I try to insert my own personality and flourishes to match the music and my mood. It takes more time to do this because it's easier to copy another's choreography than try to work out something that says 'me'.
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    Once you see someone else moving to something, it can be hard to get that movement out of your head and to stop doing it and create your own cause you have an already existing idea of how it should/could look I guess....

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    Sorry, I should have included those originals on my first post - copies of Jillina and Rachel were not so obvious so I did not react so much on those, but as this wings number is Amarīs "trademark" it is painfully easy to notice too many similarities even though Didem seems to have left out all the complex parts and does not seem to be very good with wings in all... if looking for exact steps then perhaps this cannot be thought as stolen property but I still donīt like that some high-ranked professional dancer do not have enough imagination to create her own dances (or even find herself a choreographer to do that) - it is not any excuse that she has to create a new dance for every show... most of the pros do the same. And as Didemīs dancing can be seen at television by millions of viewers it is in my eyes even worse as this gives GP an impression that she is this creative and versatile dancer when probably all the "different" dances by her are copied... so I donīt care what idiots comment on YouTube but I am afraid that TV-watchers think the same way

    Turkey is not any "Wild East" - international copyright laws exist there and in fact as an applicant to EU they really also must be followed - choreographies are also protected by these laws

    But here are the originals for wings and Maar dala:



    (I myself do not care to much about BDSS but with Devdas I take bad copies personally )

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    On a couple of threads, we've discussed improv vs choreography. Mastering a choreography is relatively easy to do because you have to copy someone else in style and execution. But when a dancer has mastered the elements of improv, then there is a deep well from which to create. So how can bellydance foster creativity if a student shies away from improvisation. A professional performer should have a strong sense of improv and not rely on half-baked copies of someone else's creative genius. As Kiraze points out,then hire a choreographer. That's wht it means to be in the big leagues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suheir View Post
    Sometimes it's because dancers are incapable of creating their own choreographies. "Combinations" DVDs seem to be all the rage at the moment, I've seen performances that have been comprised of combinations from IAMED instructional DVDs, Jillina, Aziza, etc!
    Is this a bad thing? I always thought snagging moves from videos would be a great way to build a choreography.

    Because bastardizing a local dancer's choreography didn't work out very well for me, the last time I tried it.

    Choreographies don't spring fully-grown from my head like Athena, in fact I have a hard time with dance improvisation. But a girl's gotta start somewhere. Bright ideas are much appreciated.

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    To copy others dancers is not correct in my eyes ,neither the music or costumes......i geuss i am old fashion in this...when you are a artist you feel and you imagion ...you visualize when you close your eyes and feel and imagion and imagion again.....untill your dance get,s shape.....with that you start to work on your steps ....ask others for advice ,learn how to do it ....you will learn slowly and take time to learn and write down what you feel and imagion.when you hear the music......there are plenty way,s to learn Dont just ,dont! copy others, it will make you a less good artist !you have to invent you have to work, you have to be tired,you have to train and than you have the credit!! I can,t respect atist that copy other artist they are just not artist that is the point! yust copycats... Beside that you must be proud and not to be willing to take others stuff, simple you put yourself down when you do that ,it only means 1 thing that you are not good enough or talented enough to do it yourself....and that is what you are showing to the world when you copy others ....so be proud and make yourself tired and work hard that is the way to get respect as a artist ....copycats are just another breed....and if you are still new in this field and you can not do it yet.. and you need help just ask me ..i am the first one in line to get you started,just dont copy others.....have a great Lydia

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    Quote Originally Posted by da Sage View Post
    Is this a bad thing? I always thought snagging moves from videos would be a great way to build a choreography.

    Because bastardizing a local dancer's choreography didn't work out very well for me, the last time I tried it.

    Choreographies don't spring fully-grown from my head like Athena, in fact I have a hard time with dance improvisation. But a girl's gotta start somewhere. Bright ideas are much appreciated.
    It depends whether you're billing yourself as a professional or not. If I watch someone who claims to be a professional and I can identify almost all the elements of their performance as coming from instructional DVDs then I'm unimpressed.

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