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    (as a side note- I love their bodies, lol. I wish I had one as slim as that)

    What are the Devdas? I hear a lot about them too

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    Default copying other dancers........etc,

    Mariesaffron here, strongly defending Didem, I admire Amar Gamal, being spanish myself, and her work with wings and her shimmys are to die for. I too agree with all that has been said about imitating others, however, I am sure Didem need not to imitate nobody, she is very talented and capable of doing things that Amar Gamal will be happy to learn from her. Amar Gamal is not the only Dancer in the world that dance with wings, and as shown in the video Didem do not master the wings yet, but she is dam good without wings, veils, zills, swords, canes, fans, trays etc, and screw Ibo and his show, he is taking avantage of Didem, she is too good for that tacky show. I better stop here. Marie

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    Well, I guess it is a good thing that right now I am only aspiring to be a hobbyist dancer...not an artist or a professional. One step at a time...

    I do love picking the brains of all the professionals, teachers, and artists here. It's one of the things that got me started lurking on this board, a little over two years ago. Most other boards have far more rank beginners and students.

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    I'm not an artist or a professional either . But personally I don't want to lift choreographies off DVD to perform, or even use recognisable chunks of ones we've learnt in class, or from workshops. People would know and I'd feel .

    So I'm doing my own thing. It's hard to find moves that fit right, it takes a long time and keeps evolving, but it is an interesting exercise. I make it easier on myself by not using music that I'm familiar with anyone else dancing to, so there is no temptation to "borrow". Of course I use moves I've learned in class and workshops - where else would I get them, and isn't that what you learn them for? - but not whole sequences. They wouldn't fit the music anyway.

    As for whether Didem is copying Amar Gamal - I don't know, but pick the same music and props and a very similar costume as a well known dancer and surely you are inviting comparisons, if not accusations of plagiarism. Or maybe it is just "hommage"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sara View Post
    What are the Devdas? I hear a lot about them too
    Devdas is one of the most famous Bollywood movies featuring Madhuri Dixit (main dancer on that clip), Aishwarya Rai and Shahrukh Khan (the guy on the clip). It is also my personal favourite Bollywood movie with fantastic dances and music and to-die-for costumes... and that heartbreaking story of course too...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariesaffron View Post
    ...I am sure Didem need not to imitate nobody, she is very talented and capable of doing things that Amar Gamal will be happy to learn from her...
    Exactly, and that is one reason why I am so pissed by her copying others as she has wonderful style of her own and these copied performances are so much worse than her other dances and obviously they also bring down her credibility. I am passionate about Turkish dancing and thatīs why I really hate when some Turkish dancer with loads of capability to really become international dance star does something like this

    Quote Originally Posted by Mariesaffron View Post
    ...screw Ibo and his show, he is taking avantage of Didem, she is too good for that tacky show...
    Ibo show is not tacky - Ibo is, but to be honest Didem would be just any unknown dancer trying to struggle with minimum payment if there was not Ibo. The harsh truth is that Ibo does not need Didem as he could always find new talented dancers but Didem desparately needs him - most people watch Ibo show because of music and not because of Didem: her dancing is nice extra five minutes of the show but GP will forget Didem very quickly if she leaves the show similar way as they forgot Asena who now has to struggle for any opportunity to keep her on the headlines

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    Hi there
    Havent checked the video's bur read all the replies.

    Lydia gives us the heart of the artist !!!
    And I thank her for this, her way of explaining how someone can make a choreo that comes from the soul.
    And this is not something that we can find within compinations-video's-etc

    Maria Aya

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    It's funny, for me it depends on the style. When I dance Egyptian style it's rare for me to use "combinations," except for some very basic combinations dating back to old movies -- things like "shimmyshimmyshimmyBUMP" or "spin right, accent, spin left, accent."

    But when I'm doing Tribal, it's pretty much based on combinations, and while I agree that it's a good idea to work on them and figure out your own "version," everybody has to learn from somebody. I think it depends on how long the combo is -- if it's like one that my teacher showed us, basically "chest circle, down undulation, ummi, up undulation" that's not really long enough to complain about, but if it's like 30 seconds or more, especially to the same music, I think it's kind of cheesy.

    Kind of like if another writer used the same three- or four-word phrase as me, I wouldn't care, but if they used a paragraph, that would be a problem.

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    Dear Group,
    One of the things common in the Middle Eastern culture is to copy old ideas. It is not meant as insulting, but instead is considered a form of building on something that has been done wonderfully. That is why we hear one million versions of Zayil Howa and Tamra Henna. Brand new music could be created as easily, but it is considered very creative to do the same song over and over again with just subtle differences here and there. I know that it is common among dancers, too, so that we see Randa looking occasionally a lot like Dina, for example. This is not considered to be stealing or impersonating. I am wondering if this is a cultural aspect of the dance that is not appreciated the same way in western dance communities...??? I just thought we might try to look at this situation from a different angle. I, personally am so not interested in doing other people's choreographies, being pretty much an improvisational belly dancer, but if I try to look at it from a cultural point of view, I have to step out of my own shoes for a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A'isha Azar View Post
    Dear Group,
    One of the things common in the Middle Eastern culture is to copy old ideas. It is not meant as insulting, but instead is considered a form of building on something that has been done wonderfully. That is why we hear one million versions of Zayil Howa and Tamra Henna. Brand new music could be created as easily, but it is considered very creative to do the same song over and over again with just subtle differences here and there. I know that it is common among dancers, too, so that we see Randa looking occasionally a lot like Dina, for example. This is not considered to be stealing or impersonating. I am wondering if this is a cultural aspect of the dance that is not appreciated the same way in western dance communities...??? I just thought we might try to look at this situation from a different angle. I, personally am so not interested in doing other people's choreographies, being pretty much an improvisational belly dancer, but if I try to look at it from a cultural point of view, I have to step out of my own shoes for a minute.
    Regards,
    A'isha
    But if you look at, say, the "Oum Khalthoum" thread, it seems like there are a lot of dancers interpreting the same songs, but putting their own feelings and styles into them. They definitely have trends that they follow, but they are not just copying each other.

    It seems like there are a lot of new/student dancers in the West who think they're really good because they can "perfectly execute" a Jillina choreography, and to me that seems like the antithesis of how Middle Eastern dancers work -- they don't do a whole lot of really complicated moves one after the other, let alone see that ability as what defines a dancer's skill. To me it always seems like the emotional expression and personal taste are most highly valued, and you can't copy that.

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    I totally agree with A'isha and I totally agree with Persephone...Inspiration by other master dancers or styles is indeed a huge aspect of ME dance, however I think that what Didem did is just blind copying: same music, same concept, identical moves...I really think she is a talented dancer, she has wonderful technique and one can see she works on her movements a lot, her shimmies are great, her stomach is flat but OMG how she controls those muscles!!! however sometimes (a lot of times) it lacks that something, the interpretation is somewhat soulless. But I understand that people go crazy about her, she can be dazzling!

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