Ariadne
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I'm sorry I'm late to the conversation. I haven't had the time the last few days to give your question the time it deserves.
I used to wonder that too. Instead of asking like you did I just kept reading everyone's opinions and their whys and wherefores. For the longest time it was all opinions (plural) until I was researching Tarab and I stumbled across some articles.
Arabic Music: What is Tarab?
Arabic Music: Arabic Orchestras in America and Tarab
Not only did they explain to me what it was in BD that drew me to it they also lead me to research the history of music. I discovered that there was a divide that occurred during the beginning of the last millennia when our European music tradition developed. The music that followed has some fundamental differences in rhythm, notes, and harmony to the older style. Music in the Orient however stayed much truer to its roots in Byzantine music. The use of a quarter note is just one of those differences.
I believe that is why whenever the discussion comes up inevitably someone mentions rhythm.
Then on top of that you have the different styles of bellydance. The traditional styles that are closely tied with an active native dance tradition have the accent that kina so eloquently described. You can watch a good Egyptian dancer move and you know instantly where their basics are from. That movement is moved by the music of Egypt which is also very distinct.
As Shira quoted earlier:
And it really is. I think much of the reactions you get of people saying "if you're not dancing to Middle Eastern/Arabic music, then what you're doing is not belly dance" is perhaps a subconscious reaction on their part to the underlying fundamental differences of Oriental music to European music tradition.
As Shira said, "music really is the foundation."
*I am using "Oriental" music to mean the group of music including Egyptian, Turkish, North African, Lebanese etc.
This question stems from having read a few different threads regarding performances. The general tone from the responses that I've read is that if you're not dancing to Middle Eastern/Arabic music, then what you're doing is not belly dance.
So now I ask...why is that?
I used to wonder that too. Instead of asking like you did I just kept reading everyone's opinions and their whys and wherefores. For the longest time it was all opinions (plural) until I was researching Tarab and I stumbled across some articles.
Arabic Music: What is Tarab?
Arabic Music: Arabic Orchestras in America and Tarab
Not only did they explain to me what it was in BD that drew me to it they also lead me to research the history of music. I discovered that there was a divide that occurred during the beginning of the last millennia when our European music tradition developed. The music that followed has some fundamental differences in rhythm, notes, and harmony to the older style. Music in the Orient however stayed much truer to its roots in Byzantine music. The use of a quarter note is just one of those differences.
I believe that is why whenever the discussion comes up inevitably someone mentions rhythm.
But you can dance a Foxtrot to other music if it does have the right underlying rhythm. The problem with trying to bellydance to non-*Oriental music though is that it doesn't have the basic underlying foundation that makes Oriental music what it is, it's essential Tarab. With how widely different our music is the chances of finding a non-Oriental piece of music with even a little of that influence, even just the rhythm, is very small.But as you've said, in ballroom you can't *really* dance a foxtrot to anything, because it has to have the right underlying rhythm.
Then on top of that you have the different styles of bellydance. The traditional styles that are closely tied with an active native dance tradition have the accent that kina so eloquently described. You can watch a good Egyptian dancer move and you know instantly where their basics are from. That movement is moved by the music of Egypt which is also very distinct.
As Shira quoted earlier:
George Ballanchine (famous American Ballet Theater choreographer) said, "Dance is the music made visible."
Music really is the foundation.
And it really is. I think much of the reactions you get of people saying "if you're not dancing to Middle Eastern/Arabic music, then what you're doing is not belly dance" is perhaps a subconscious reaction on their part to the underlying fundamental differences of Oriental music to European music tradition.
As Shira said, "music really is the foundation."
*I am using "Oriental" music to mean the group of music including Egyptian, Turkish, North African, Lebanese etc.