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    There are a LOT of people who go out of their way to be "offended" about all kinds of things. While I'm all for grace and tact, these types of people are killjoys to everyone - and its NEVER enough for them. I won't give them the time of day - I'm DONE with this type of nonsense. And a LOT of other people are too.

    And that's all I have to say about that.
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    I prefer to think of this issue as a matter of kindness/courtesy. Often, many of us don't realize what kind of hassles other people have experienced simply by existing in a culture that's a minority group in our country. The first step, I think, is to make ourselves aware of what others have experienced, to open our eyes. I invite the people following this thread to read this article about why there is a dialogue in our country about cultural appropriation:

    http://www.shira.net/musings/appropriation-matters.htm

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    The person who criticizes a young Hispanic woman for embracing Milagros and El Dia de Los Muertos is not likely to praise as broadminded a young Englishwoman when she does the same.

    Once again, two different things are being compared with the end of skewing a scenario so that one group is presented as consistently victimized by another.

    Thing Number 1: People who are fascinated by cultures other than their own.

    Thing Number 2: People who have been criticized for their interest in their own cultural heritage.

    Bigotry and discourtesy come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and ethnic backgrounds. Perhaps the most insidious form of bigotry and discourtesy comes from determinedly looking for insult and offense where they do not actually exist.

    While I don't question the validity of Ms. Garcia's experiences, I do find some of her statements unnecessarily divisive and just plain silly. In interests of full disclosure: I grew up in Hispanic south Texas at a time when the population was 95% Hispanic and the cultural practices of the area reflected this. Spanish is the second language in my natal family; my brother and father speak/spoke it fluently. It is my sister-in-law's first language. I get by with the help of a dictionary. If I shop in the Hispanic section of the grocery store or speak Spanish in a restaurant where the entire crew speaks Spanish, I am probably buying dinner. "Cool" has nothing to do with it.

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    I think that what is a common occurrence is being misunderstood as cultural appropriation, and that is the newbie or greenie (or whatever you want to call it) experience.

    I have a lot of different interests and in every area I have noticed the same trend.

    • Something attracts a person to a new hobby/interest/pursuit.
    • Person knows almost nothing about said thing but dives in whole heartily anyway.
    • Person makes mistakes and/or assumptions.


    • Experience happens......


    • Person discovers there is a whole lot out there to learn about (subject) then they realized.
    • Person looses interest and finds new hobby etc - OR -
    • Person takes time to be educated on first level of (subject)


    • Experience Happens......


    • Person discovers they really didn't know as much as they thought they did.
    • Person looses interest and finds new hobby etc - OR -
    • Person takes time to be educated on next level of (subject)

    And so on and so forth.

    People in the first and even second group are going to make mistakes. That are going to do stupid stuff, make bad decisions, and create memories that if they stick around long enough to learn better will cause them to cringe some day in embarrassment. This is NORMAL. It happens in every subject or pursuit and it is the responsibility of those with the experience to know better (teachers and peers) to patiently point out where they are going wrong. Of course not all of them will listen, they never do. Time will sort it out.

    Are there those who will deliberately do things that are offensive and insulting? Yes, absolutely.

    In my experience however those people are a decided minority. Making the assumption that someone is engaging in cultural appropriation or, as Shanazel put it, "looking for insult and offense where they do not actually exist" is counterproductive to any type of growth or common community. Chances are they are just as human as the rest of us and nothing more.

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