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    Quote Originally Posted by illustria View Post
    There's this song in the opening credits of HBO's True Blood. It's "Bad Things" by Jace Everett. Bellydancing to it, I believe, would be sinful - BUT I SO WANT TO!!!

    Oh, lovely. Now that it's off my chest, i can go back to my day job...
    You are not alone - my friend did a fusion line dance/ belly dance number to this for our class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniseteph View Post
    You are not alone - my friend did a fusion line dance/ belly dance number to this for our class.
    really? cool!

    oh, and every time I hear Gold-digger, the Glee soundtrack version, I start bellydancing.

    Actually, I start bellydancing when I hear lots of songs nowadays. Not in public, though, but if I do hear a song, i start imagining my choreo.

    Must be the stress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illustria View Post
    There's this song in the opening credits of HBO's True Blood. It's "Bad Things" by Jace Everett. Bellydancing to it, I believe, would be sinful - BUT I SO WANT TO!!!

    Oh, lovely. Now that it's off my chest, i can go back to my day job...

    Been there done that its a fantastic piece of music
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    Quote Originally Posted by gisela View Post
    Not sure if I am misunderstanding you here, but there is PLENTY of music and dance that don't have the 1-2-3-4 beat but instead maybe 1-2-3, 1-2, 1-2-3-4-5, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 etc
    Even in 1234 music and dance the accent can be on 1 and 3 or 2 and 4 or just on the "and". I think the finess of acknowledging the music in dance is to not just go over it like a marching band 1234, 1234 but to pick up those small differences in beat and rhythm (and melody etc of course, but this was a beat example)
    Well there are tempos and accents, but I'm talking right down to the core. If you listen to any song and say out loud "1, 2, 3, 4" and it'll be consistent. It's hard to describe. It's easier to see it as a "1, 2" count.

    Ok, I got it. You know how conductors and stuff wave the little stick thing (lack of better words XD) back and forth to keep the beat. Like that. Sorry I can't describe it better.

    On a separate note, anyone here familiar with Cradle of Filth? I practiced to that the other day. =]

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaXJJ View Post
    Well there are tempos and accents, but I'm talking right down to the core. If you listen to any song and say out loud "1, 2, 3, 4" and it'll be consistent. It's hard to describe. It's easier to see it as a "1, 2" count.
    But the stress will be in a different place, if you are dancing to a 3/4 is may go 123 123 123 123. If you count 1234 over that the stress will change 1234 1234 1234. Most Middle Eastern rhythms are much more complex than this eg (from Jas):

    chiftitilli (4/8)
    1-+-2-+-3-+-4-+-5-+-6-+-7-+-8-+-|
    D---__T---__T---D---D---T---____|
    D-tkt-T-tkD-T-tkD---D---Tktkt---|

    karsilama (9/8)
    1-+-2-+-3-+-4-+-5-|
    D-__T-__D-__T-T-t-|
    D-kkT-kkD-kkT-T-t-|
    D-tkT-tkD-tkTkT-t-|

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    I managed to count 1 2 3 4 over the Blue Danube, but that was counting the bars. 1-2-3, 2-2-3, 3-2-3, 4-2-3...

    So if the bars are in 4's or 8's it works, kind of... but you might as well dance to a metronome if you go over the top of all the rhythms.


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    ...and to add to the mix, some of the dancers dance to the rhythm some of the time, then move to the melody some of the time, and may even wander between both! To try to count 4/4 timing when the rhythm is clearly not 4/4 is going to confuse the cr*p out of anyone!
    Of course you'll be able to count 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 ad infinitum, but that's only marking each beat, not marking a rhythm - and I've noticed loads of songs where the beat changes from 1, 2, 3, 4 to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (or other beats) and back again as the musicians insert another melody into the original.

    It is slightly different in many of the arabic pop songs I have to say - these can stick to a simple 4/4 which is the 'standard' rock beat for most popular music anyway. I can't remember when I last listened to a piece of popular music that was in 3/4! Except maybe The Pogues and Kirsty McCall's version of 'Miss Otis Regrets' on Red, Hot & Blue: A tribute to Cole Porter.

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    I love this discussion -- it brings in everything about why we love this dance, including what makes it distinct from other dance forms!

    When you think about it, folks, Oriental/belly dance is already a cultural fusion. But it blends Eastern and Western culture in a way that still produces a distinctly Eastern effect.

    Remember all those early film clips of Nadia Gamal, Tahia Carioca, Samia Gamal and others belly dancing to those popular Latin beats of the 1940s and '50s?

    They knew they weren't doing flat-out "Oriental" dance. It was just entertainment, and lotsa fun.

    Me, I love belly dancing to that vintage Dean Martin classic "Sway."

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    Kharmine,

    I just want to say, Egyptians can also do Salsa and other forms of dance.
    What they include in their movies, is it always Egyptian? of course not.

    We see an Egyptian do something and it is then Egyptian? no.

    Is that the same for Americans and English etc? everything we have in our movies becomes 'ours' or a fusion of?

    This is why this topic get so confused.

    Samia Gamal doing Latin American is not a Fusion, it is Samia Gamal doing Latin American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline_afifi View Post
    Samia Gamal doing Latin American is not a Fusion, it is Samia Gamal doing Latin American.
    And really the so called "Latin" rhythms are actually Afro-Cuban, and come originally from Africa to begin with. So if you think about it, Samia's just doing African dance. (North and West).


    (But my Egyptian teacher always separates North Africa from West and South Africa, culturally. She says Egypt may be IN Africa, but it's not African. I think I understand what she means. Caroline, do you agree?)

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