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    Junior Member Mihrimah Ghaziya's Avatar
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    Fluttering the belly... Hm, I can do it only while sitting on a chair! Strange...

    I love doing florr work on the other hand, I always find an occasion to go down to the floor!

    Mihrimah Ghaziya

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    How did I miss this thread?

    Probably too busy over in the male dancers section debating life, the universe, and all that stuff!

    What am I weak on?

    Lots of stuff - the list is far longer than what I'm good at! Like several others, I'm a bit weak on pops and sharp movements, I'm another "round flowy" dancer. I'm "ok" on sharp stuff, but could use some improvement.

    Floorwork? Love it, but I'm not good at it. Not flexable enough, and bony knees/ankles/feet hurt! I'll do a small amount kneeling/sitting back with a veil sometimes.

    Shimmies are difficult. I can do a decent 3/4 shimmy, a rather sloppy "3/4 twist-down" shimmy, an excellent "Ghawazee" (micro-twisting) shimmy, but suck at Egyptian shimmies. I can do them reasonably well (NOW!), but cannot start one "instantly" so I can seldom use them in performance. This said, I picked up a new class/teacher several months ago - she's done more for my shimmies than everyone else combined!

    Shoulder shimmies are fine, but that was a learing curve too - once I found the muscles in question, the ones on the left side were non-existant and had to be trained up.

    Choreos are the bane of my existance - I *much* prefer improv. Someone else said "Mass chaos ensues". Yea, add me to that list...

    Isolations are always a struggle, and of course the hardest thing of all: Arms. They're my #1 weak spot. I've been guilty of "Robbery victim arms" more times than I care to confess...

    Flutters and belly rolls - with my weak abs? You gotta be kidding me! This said, they *are* better, way better than they used to be. Nothing I'll show off outside a dance class, but progress of a sort is being made!

    I'm sure I can think of more...

    For those who are veil challenged, if you haven't seen my article on the subject, here it is!:

    http://www.doubleveil.net/veildancer.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba View Post
    How did I miss this thread?


    Isolations are always a struggle, and of course the hardest thing of all: Arms. They're my #1 weak spot. I've been guilty of "Robbery victim arms" more times than I care to confess...[/url]
    That's hilarious, and pretty much what mine seem to look like a lot of the time too! That's my instructor's chief bane regarding me lately (she finally got me to "straighten up!" and now this)!

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    Right now my weakest point is shimmies, I can do slower ones, but I need a lot of work on moving faster. :p I think I'm getting better, I just need more practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba & Suhad
    "Robbery victim arms"
    What is that???

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    All -- These are many interesting tips and since so many have trouble w/ shimmies - such a basic part of our dance form -- although, far be it for me, not that capable and just learning, student, BUT largely from other threads here, I have gotten such helpful advice on instructional DVD's, I thought might just reiterate some of that here -- (and many thanks again to those who advised me on this) -- Leyla Jouvana's "21 Shimmies and 1001 Variations" instructional DVD, and Ansuya's Lavish Layers -- From your advice, I got them both (although I am not normally a great DVD advocate.) These DVD's have helped me immensely. Even having really good teachers, somehow, after even few yrs of classes, now watching, and practicing along, many many times over a few weeks w/ Leyla and now , ANsuya (the layer drill covers freeze shimmy - and explains/drills, very well - which is the one she uses for layering) -- also got the Suhaila Buns workout DVD, and that helps so much w/ shimmies, too-- (esp Suhaila's 'hip or glute-driven' shimmy style). (I have found finding 1001 ways to do a shimmy helps find the muscles and see that there are different ones that may work better at different times... (such as if you are bending down, or on relevee, etc) - JAlso what I learned from DVD's is that it is so important also to note WHERE your weight is when doing a shimmy -- it is (for me) a seldom-heard part of the equation, that I was so glad to have addressed in some of the explanation, that is a small point, but very effective...So for those who want more shimmy practice and help -- I so recommend these DVD's (esp Leyla's which is the first one I got -- it covers so many types, she explains and demonstrates well) -- AND I just wanted to say that I am a total convert as to IAMED DVD's the quality of instruction, production and the organization of the instructional material on these particular DVD's is, I find, really excellent, for me at least -- I know these things cost a lot, but since they can be watched umpteen times, I find it so worthwhile and for practice at home such a godsend!! That is my tip although of course, take w/ grain of salt, sand, or whatever because I don't like to recommend something that works so w3ell for me and for someone else it may fall flat, and w/ the cost of these -- but I feel no one single "method" or rule works -- for me it has been a combination of lots of excellent tips from these various renowned teachers (on these DVD's) -- ......................but thought I'd try to offer this w/ the other excellent tips from you, and to those who mentioned some shimmy challenges (there may be "one right way" to do these, but it seems many excellent teachers/dancers do the same thing a few different ways, or put their slant on how to explain it)--- Ludy
    Last edited by Ludmilla; 09-15-2006 at 10:37 PM.

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    Good thread except...

    I clicked on with one 'weakness' in mind, and having read through the 5 pages of posts, my list has now expanded to about 5 pages and I'm feeling terribly insecure: yeah, my shimmy sucks, i'm lop-sided with a stronger right hip, my arms tend to take on their own life, I hate and despise my blubbery belly (not so much a dance weakness as a general chocolate weakness!), my best part of veil is dropping it, I rush around too quickly, I trip myself over when I try to do a graceful turn, zills don't go there, my posture sags if I don't keep an eye on it...

    I'm off to go hang up my bedlah and retire from bellydancing forever!:eek:

    (:p not really, would be like quitting breathing!)

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    Elle 21 -- I really know the feeling -- it seems so overwhelming sometimes (like learning Arabic, Chinese, Sanskrit - a language that scholars w/ Phd's spend their lives learning) and at those times, I tell myself it is a process, a walk of 1000 miles has to start w/ one step -- isn't it great that this dance form has longevity and great health benefits, so the years or decades to learn 'pile up' after some time -- Please hang in there, and just address one shimmy at a time -- Every dancer no matter how great probably feels she has some imperfections. (I also try to tell myself that rather than perfectionism, enjoyment from dancing is more what seems productive) -- Just a thought, and I'm w/ you, but trying to be positive about one's progress a day at a time can help in a slump time...Sorry if this sounds pompous....I've been there and thank goodness I did not pack it in, but have now tended to practice each day and the discovery of a new move, new secret or aha of finally 'getting' it are worth the effort:: I can't say I have "results" from this, but one day, I plan to wake up and have made progress...

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    For all that are too worry about weaknesses; let me out you at easse. very famous Dancers like Samia Gamal Tahia Cairoca, didn't use too many props, however it is good to know at least 2 or 3 so you are more likekley to be popular, I do floorwork, of course I do not do it in restaurants, but in venues that are more apreciative, veils; I can not conceive this Dance veiless, a belly gram without a veil is not a belly gram, Zills? you have to be kidding, imagine Naima Akef with no Zills, I do have weakness, who do not? mines are not Balancing for sure. love Marie

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildFire View Post
    Can anyone offer me advice about doing stomach rolls please? I can do "mini" ones hahaha. It's as though I can get the top and middle part of my tummy to do it but I can't get the bottom part! And one more thing...You know when you see people do the rolls and it looks like they've got so much air in the tummy how on earth they do that?! I can't expand my tummy that much! Sorry to be a pain!

    Thank you so much!
    WildFire,stomach rolls are called belly rolls, here is the tecnique,bended knees, arms like trying to put the shoulder blade together,in that position, push forward, up, back, and roll it down; another belly roll is; bended knees suck the lower part of the stomach in, rib cage down, then up and relese, don't do this one like Zhekas because is different.

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