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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post
    Oh, my, goodness, who resurrected this thread??????? I surrendered to reason long ago, put my thoughts and mea culpas in writing, and hoped the thread had died a proper death.

    PLease see somewhere, "In which Shanazel admits she was misguided" and start a new why do men belly dance thread so that I am not thrust back into embarassing flashbacks.
    Lol Shanazel! You totally crack me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sultan View Post
    Among primitive cultures (if I may be permitted to use the term) it is not unusual for men to perform dances which imitate the pangs and undulations of pregnant women who are having difficult births. This show of empathy for the pain endured by wives probably is what evolved into male belly dance.

    Don't laugh now but, decades ago it was alleged that certain women had what was called penis envy. Historically, there is no precedent for this myth. However, science has proven that certain men have had womb envy (this is not the same as Horney's pseudo scientific claim). Don't know too much on the subject anymore as I no longer read much on it. But suffice it to say that this show of empathy is the possible origin of male BD.

    I do not know if this is related to the topic, however, my brother-in-law had morning sickness with my sister during their pregnancy.

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    The same reason males sing and act. We enjoy dancing. Tim

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    Some of the best bellydancing I have seen is performed by men!!!! I have studied with a few male instructors, for me it didn't make any difference whether it is male or female.

    As far as my research goes, it was never said any where that it is only a female dance form!!!! Every human being on earth has a right to choose what ever dance form he or she likes to dance and the costumes they choose to wear.

    I have a few egyptian guy friends and when we hang out in the middleeastern bars they get up and bellydance. We all know that in the middleeast dancing is for eveyone. It is a cultural thing. Perfroming for money is different ball game!!!!!

    Three cheers for you guys!!!

    Go on keep doing what you are doing. If women can be astronauts, stunt pilots, solidiers, engineers, construction workers...etc., etc., men can be belly dancers too!!!! I wouldn't like it if bellydancing is only for females!!

    PS: I must also say this, all the post I have read so far (except from bluerose another person don't remember who said I don't like bellydance), I understand that you gals are expressing your views and opinions about male dancing!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba View Post
    My *personal* view is that "masculine" and "feminine" are social constructs - unless we're talking about biology.
    True, and in regard to belly dance, I think it's utter nonsense when people call it 'dance for WOMEN of all ages, sizes bla bla', what about men? It's also a dance for men as well.

    Very interesting subject by the way. I was looking at some random video clips of male dancers and it occured to me that lots of male dancers do have a bit of a feminine way of dancing. But that's probably just my way of seeing it. I have to get used to that style because it annoys me, don't know why, maybe it's becuase I only saw life male belly dancers in Holland and they didn't have that at all. Now when I look at video clips of different dancers all over the world I notice they are very different from the Dutch ones.

    Hope I didn't offend anyone!

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    [QUOTE=janaki;31510]Some of the best bellydancing I have seen is performed by men!!!! I have studied with a few male instructors, for me it didn't make any difference whether it is male or female.

    As far as my research goes, it was never said any where that it is only a female dance form!!!! Every human being on earth has a right to choose what ever dance form he or she likes to dance and the costumes they choose to wear.

    I have a few egyptian guy friends and when we hang out in the middleeastern bars they get up and bellydance. We all know that in the middleeast dancing is for eveyone. It is a cultural thing. Perfroming for money is different ball game!!!!!









    Dear Janaki,
    Actually, almost all of the Arabs with whom I have ever spoken about it say that it is a dance for females only. I have seen them get up and leave the room when men belly dance, though they seem fine with watching them folk dance. There is a HUGE difference in their minds between Shaabi, where people are just getting up and partying, and actual professional belly dance. They consider it shameful for a male to make his living as a belly dancer. It seems not to matter whether or not it has been done for as long as the dance has been around! It's paradoxical!!!
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    That's so true A'isha. Yesterday I was going to watch some clip by one male dancer from YouTube when one of my friend came (Egyptian male). He totally refused to see the clip. He is not a dancer, but has been working in the dance industry, so it isn't even strange environment for him.

    One thing is that Egyptian are extremely gay-phobic and male dancers are viewed as so, always. Folkloric is different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donya View Post
    That's so true A'isha. Yesterday I was going to watch some clip by one male dancer from YouTube when one of my friend came (Egyptian male). He totally refused to see the clip. He is not a dancer, but has been working in the dance industry, so it isn't even strange environment for him.

    One thing is that Egyptian are extremely gay-phobic and male dancers are viewed as so, always. Folkloric is different.

    Dear Donya,
    I think that most Arabs are hugely homophobic. Even ones who are not seem to pretend they are so they will not seem to be going against the communal thinking. I think they see the dance as feminine essenced, which it is, in movement and feeling. (Tarik Sultan and I have argued about this this many times.) The fact is that even among (other) animals there are movements and postures that are considered to be male or female and I see it, not as a matter of culture at some levels, but more a matter of nature. I think however, that animals generally have the good sense not to be freaked out by gender opposite behaviors the way humans, unfortunately are. While I feel that there are activities that are gender essenced, I do not feel that that means people of the opposite sex can't do them. I also feel that as long as there have been fele belly dancers, males have probably been at it almost as long. I have no issue with that at all, though I have to admit that my Arab friends do. I think that living in societies where male and female roles are clearly separated and defined has lead to a situation where crossing those lines is considered haram. It happens in the States to a lesser degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A'isha Azar View Post
    I have no issue with that at all, though I have to admit that my Arab friends do. I think that living in societies where male and femlae roles are clearly separared and defined has lead to a situation where crossing those lines is considered haram.
    What is "haram"? Sorry, I don't know the term.

    A very interesting discussion, tho I haven't anything to contribute.

    Didi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didi View Post
    What is "haram"? Sorry, I don't know the term.

    A very interesting discussion, tho I haven't anything to contribute.

    Didi
    hi Didi,

    Haram Means against the teachings of Islam! A'isha I agree with you here. Arab men are taught from a very young age that they have to 'man up' they do not take well to any female behavior in a male.

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