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    Indeed, while watching the first clips, I got the feeling I could join that troup with a little practice. I didn't get that feeling at all while watching the Norwegian troupe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Indeed, while watching the first clips, I got the feeling I could join that troup with a little practice. I didn't get that feeling at all while watching the Norwegian troupe
    At least two of the dancers in the first clip are teachers on the JWAAD training course and several of the others have been dancing for as long as the members of the Norwegian troupe, if not longer.

    We have *much* better dancers in the UK but sadly, they have no videos on the web. I've never actually taken a class or workshop with the head of JWAAD as I was put off by her dancing when I first saw her perform. I reference Eshta's thread: http://forum.orientaldancer.net/othe...hyperbole.html

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    Hey everyone,

    Many of you know about this already but for those who have not check out: http://www.medancecertification.org/

    This is a teacher certification organization that is primarily for established teachers who need some sort of certification so that they can teach at a college.

    Take care, Rick Fink

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Fink View Post
    Hey everyone,

    Many of you know about this already but for those who have not check out: National Association for Teacher Certification in Middle Eastern Dance

    This is a teacher certification organization that is primarily for established teachers who need some sort of certification so that they can teach at a college.

    Take care, Rick Fink

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    Dear Rick,
    I worked as costume designer at a university for 7 years. None of my degrees are in Costuming, though I am a professional costumer. I also have taught Middle Eastern dance at one 2 year college and one university, with no certificate. My question here is, what makes the dancers on that board qualified to decide who gets a certificate? And, often colleges require degrees for teachers, and not certificates. For example, the dance instructors at Eastern Washington University have degrees in dance arts or ballet, or modern, etc. They might have some other kind of degree as well, for example theatre. Are there universities where these certificates have proven helpful and if so, which ones and under which programs are the instructors teaching? I know people who teach Middle Eastern dance under extended learning programs, but they do not need degrees or certificates much of the time and there is no class credit.
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    Hi A'isha,

    Good questions. Let me cut and paste from the website to answer them.

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    Q. Who evaluates my application?

    A. Three rotating certifiers who have been teaching a minimum of ten years each. The certifiers involved are dance teachers, studio owners, and seminar sponsors. It is this group of people who are the backbone of our dance community. They sponsor the seminars, reach out into the community, and train thousands of students each year.

    Q. Are the certifiers or is NATCMED connected with any universities or colleges?

    A. No. We are a professional organization whose purpose is to provide a service to skilled teachers within our dance community. Currently Middle Eastern Dance is taught in only a few colleges and universities as an accredited course and there are no majors in Middle Eastern Dance being offered anywhere. Like many other dance forms including classical Indian styles such as Bharatanatyam and Katak, as well Flamenco, Middle Eastern Dances genesis lies outside the academic world.
    For those dancers who request it, NATCMED will look at their credentials and certify if they meet an objective standard within our dance community. The main purpose of certification is to provide documentation that is acceptable to colleges and universities.

    Q. So in other words this is not a college degree?

    A. Right. This is more like an aerobics teacher certification or a massage therapy certification.

    Q. If I get certified can I then teach at a college or university?

    A. A Middle Eastern Dance course would probably be in the dance department or the physical education department of a college. Each college and individual department would have its own criteria for teaching and it is likely that to teach Middle Eastern Dance you would have to be already teaching another course. A certification from NATCMED would provide the department head with the necessary documentation to for you to teach a MEDance course.

    Q. Who are the certifiers and by what authority do they judge others?

    A. All of the certifiers have long histories of accomplishment within our dance community. As most of them are sponsors they regularly exercise judgment over others. When a sponsor commits thousands of dollars to a seminar show and hires the featured dancer and instructor she makes a judgment call on that dancer. When she puts together the lineup for the show she makes judgment calls on the strength and skill of each dancer she allows into her show. The right to make these judgments is earned, not bestowed, by the hard work and money a sponsor puts into her event.
    In the case of certification the certifiers simply make the judgment that the applicants meet the required standard or not.


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    Right now we have a rich and diverse scene worldwide and a huge number of teachers who could easily meet our criteria for certification. Our purpose is not to create a franchise or to dictate what the standards are for our scene. Our purpose is simply to provide the paperwork a skilled teacher needs so that she can teach at a college.

    Take care, Rick

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    Dear Rick,
    Thank you for the information.
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    I wish there was some better way of knowing that one teacher is a higher calibre than another than just showing up to their classes, but I know for sure that teacher qualifications in belly dance are not the way to make that judgement!

    At least in the UK, when I see one teacher is 'x-qualified', all that tells me is which 'gang' they belong to. The best teachers I've had the experience of learning from have not been 'x-certified' teachers. And the worst ones I've learnt from have all belonged to one particular teacher training school. But again, that's not to say that everyone who has taken that course is a bad teacher - I know a couple that definitely aren't. But when I see that qualification it does put me off!

    But if there was a course that was not driven purely by profit, but was a well-researched collaboration between highly respected dancers and teachers who have consulted beyond the dance when required, I would consider it. But at the moment, the most likely teacher training course I would attend would be the YMCA 'movement to music' course! Sad that an aerobics degree feels more relevant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshta View Post
    I wish there was some better way of knowing that one teacher is a higher calibre than another than just showing up to their classes, but I know for sure that teacher qualifications in belly dance are not the way to make that judgement!

    At least in the UK, when I see one teacher is 'x-qualified', all that tells me is which 'gang' they belong to. The best teachers I've had the experience of learning from have not been 'x-certified' teachers. And the worst ones I've learnt from have all belonged to one particular teacher training school. But again, that's not to say that everyone who has taken that course is a bad teacher - I know a couple that definitely aren't. But when I see that qualification it does put me off!

    But if there was a course that was not driven purely by profit, but was a well-researched collaboration between highly respected dancers and teachers who have consulted beyond the dance when required, I would consider it. But at the moment, the most likely teacher training course I would attend would be the YMCA 'movement to music' course! Sad that an aerobics degree feels more relevant!


    Dear Eshta,
    You put that quite succinctly!!I consider it to be the same here in the States.
    I do a teacher training course, but I do not certify anyone. I think it has little relevance in our dance form.
    Regards,
    A'isha

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    Thank you A'isha!

    Just out of interest, have any students of your teacher training course used it to promote themselves as teachers? How would/do you respond? It seems clear from the way you describe it that's it's intended solely for the benefit of the dancer/teacher and not as an accreditation of any sort but that would be hard to convey if a teacher says they have "been teaching x years and attended A'isha Azar's teacher training course", that implies you're accrediting them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshta View Post
    Thank you A'isha!

    Just out of interest, have any students of your teacher training course used it to promote themselves as teachers? How would/do you respond? It seems clear from the way you describe it that's it's intended solely for the benefit of the dancer/teacher and not as an accreditation of any sort but that would be hard to convey if a teacher says they have "been teaching x years and attended A'isha Azar's teacher training course", that implies you're accrediting them...

    Dear Eshta,
    I do not know if this has ever happened or not. But, since you point out that it could, I might ask any person who would attend the course and use it as a marketing tool to mention that it is not accredited. The course is mainly to teach people how to teach concepts in the dance and to teach them how to look at students in order to ascertain whether or not they are understanding movement concepts and how to give positive corrections, etc. There is nothing to accredit as far as I am concerned. It is a course on how to make teaching about the student and the dance, which is a lot harder than it sounds!!
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