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    Whoa, she ain't exactly inhibited, is she? Great sense of humor and sure doesn't take herself too seriously!

    She's obviously a novice belly dance student, and that costume wasn't very becoming, but you can tell she's getting there. More importantly, she has the right "accent" of this being an ethnic dance, not the hoochie coochie.

    There are more technically skilled dancers who seem to ignore this difference, if they ever knew it.

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    What a great clip!

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    That was absolutly briliant. Well done girl.

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    Default Ah…….the amazing story of “Ishtar – the Knickerless Dancer”!!!!

    I am fully aware that people do not like Ishtar for one reason or another….that is their choice/decision/opinion, and they are, quite rightly, entitled to them (I also have my own regarding Ishtar!!).

    I have to say that this rumour has been doing the rounds for a while, and whoever started it must have jumped for joy when everything came to a head about 3-4 years ago. After a Charity performance at the Liverpool Bluecoat Chambers Ishtar was informed by the Event Organisers that a photo had been taken which clearly showed that she was not wearing any underwear, (with the possibility of ruining the show on purpose?).

    I know that she was wearing underwear, because I had to visit Ishtar in the changing rooms that the Teachers used - to collect a students veil, that had been picked up by mistake. While she was re-arranging her skirt, I clearly saw underwear – I would have to be blind to miss the diamante trim on the back (I’m assuming to match in with the diamante on the belts)!!

    During a meeting with representatives of the Bluecoat Chambers, Ishtar and the Event Organisers, the photo in question was inspected and showed that while underwear (g-string) was worn, it had shifted during the dance and pubic hair was visible. I have it on good authority that she still has the letter of confirmation from the Bluecoat Chambers.

    A valuable lesson learned – wear suitable undies.

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    And there we all were, worried that Ishtar was dragging the name of our beloved art form down through the gutter!

    Catwoman, your anecdote does have a moral to the story, but it beggars the question: what excuse for a costume was she wearing that a shift in her undies could reveal her intimates, presumably if her undies had stayed in place we'd "only" have been treated to a flash of her thong?! Because I sure as hell thoroughly test drive my costumes before I wear them out in order to ensure that you CAN'T see my undies, no matter how vigorously I dance ! I ask the question but part of me fears the answer!

    By the way, welcome to the forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat242 View Post
    Hi - back on to the instructional clips topic, someone posted this on another forum and I immediately thought of this thread...

    YouTube - How to Belly Dance on YouTube
    Is she insinuating that we're NOT supposed to dance to the music of Elvis, known as the Pelvis? Why, he originated belly dance in 1957 somewhere on a Louisiana Hayride, adapting it from traditional Cajun and Scotch Irish dances done in the middle east (North Carolina and Virginia, most noteably). He was high priest of a cult of men who were known for dancing seductively for their girlfriends and wives. Women later tried to take this traditional dance and make it their own, despite its obvious masculine essence. I am all for women getting in touch with their masculine sides and believe they can perform quite acceptably as long as they don't attempt to exhibit symptoms of testosterone poisoning that they aren't legally, ethically, and genetically entitled to.

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    Hi, this post is very informative; however I would like some specific information. If someone can help me then please send me a private message. Best Regards,

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    Thumbs down

    I thought in the 2nd one she was too 'bouncy'
    She's never gonna balance a cane on her head at that rate...

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    Exclamation Warning rather long response...............

    Quote Originally Posted by Eshta View Post
    And there we all were, worried that Ishtar was dragging the name of our beloved art form down through the gutter!

    Catwoman, your anecdote does have a moral to the story, but it beggars the question: what excuse for a costume was she wearing that a shift in her undies could reveal her intimates, presumably if her undies had stayed in place we'd "only" have been treated to a flash of her thong?! Because I sure as hell thoroughly test drive my costumes before I wear them out in order to ensure that you CAN'T see my undies, no matter how vigorously I dance ! I ask the question but part of me fears the answer!

    By the way, welcome to the forum!
    Of course there is a valid reason given to me by bellydancers for going commando, namely a dress or 2 piece with cutouts which effect might be spoilt by knickers or VPL. The difference is that the dancers didn't do floorwork as on this notorious occasion. I was there but (mercifully) was not in a position to be treated or otherwise. At the time I couldn't see the point of the floorwork as only the 8 people around the front of the room could see anything. For myself I know personally wether underwear was worn or not. But I did hear that the offender claimed to be wearing home made french style knickers that "slipped". And I assumed she had made these so her costume was not spoilt by non matching underwear.
    This was not as far as I know a charitable event ..it was the community dance part of the Liverpool Arabic Arts festival( and dancers were not paid for dancing) and since that "happening" the belly dance community has been told by the organisers they wanted no more performances by the belly dancers on Merseyside. Dancing displays are now chosen and invited by the commitee and apart from an evening event with selected dancers, are usually "folkloric".
    Whatever, the Merseyside BD scene was rocked (unpleasantly) by this event. I know not the full truth of what happened nor the repercussions but whoever was at fault, no favour was done to us who strive to make this beautiful dance respected. And who this lady tars with the brush of "middle classness basket weaving tea-drinking witches". We all get lumped together whatever our stance on the situation.
    Also refering back to the work of this dancer, her videos contain one with shows her dancing "with Cairo musicians" and yes, one or two of them were probably from that city but I have seen the full film and it was a show in Manchester and the same dancer had a costume malfunction there!
    This can happen to any dancer (been there, got the T shirt) but once bitten... I admire innovaters and this lady has a loyal following and I know from dancers who have been to her lessons that she is quite charismatic and inspirational whatever else is lacking in her dancing and attitude. It is a shame that someone potentially so talented should give up learning so quickly and go off to develop her own "style of bellydance".All I would have wished for us in our part of the BD community is that she had joined the rest of us who attend regularly workshops with the expert teachers from "over there" and "over here" to raise the status of the dance instead of ploughing her own furrow. I regularly meet dancers who started dancing with here and will never deny their gratitude for her inspiration but who left her when they found greener pastures. And I wish you had seen her charming performance I was shown of her from 11 years ago that an ex pupil treasures. That student ( not me!!) is now a teacher but still a student of experts.

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    Default knickerless dancer....continued!!!!

    Thanks all for your replies

    I'm in no position to make any comment about previous costume "mishaps", (as I, obviously, wasn't there!) only the one at the Bluecoat.

    And, please don't get the impression that I spend my time in changing rooms perving at other womens intimates!!!!!!!

    I got the impression that the g-string was one of those that was all dental floss with half a beer mat for the front I had the unfortunate experience of owning one and it never stayed where it was supposed to (Aggghhh..camels hoof!!!) and would not, personally wear one to dance in, and yes, i always do a costume rehersal with my fella and friends watching (who are quite ruthless with their opinions).

    As a student, you hear only one side of a story, so it's interesting to hear the other side

    Also great to see that there are others from the merseyside area, it,s nice to see that I'm not alone

    Kind Regards x

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