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    Actually I watched the Arabesque 5-minute info-mercial and was absolutely captivated. All these years of dancing and teaching and I had no idea that belly dance would do everything for me except brush my teeth and braid my hair: make me a goddess, give me a place in the time and space continuum that I can even share with friends... why hasn't anyone told me this before? You all have been holding out on me, haven't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post
    Actually I watched the Arabesque 5-minute info-mercial and was absolutely captivated. All these years of dancing and teaching and I had no idea that belly dance would do everything for me except brush my teeth and braid my hair: make me a goddess, give me a place in the time and space continuum that I can even share with friends... why hasn't anyone told me this before? You all have been holding out on me, haven't you?

    Hahahaha Shanazel!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post
    Actually I watched the Arabesque 5-minute info-mercial and was absolutely captivated. All these years of dancing and teaching and I had no idea that belly dance would do everything for me except brush my teeth and braid my hair: make me a goddess, give me a place in the time and space continuum that I can even share with friends... why hasn't anyone told me this before? You all have been holding out on me, haven't you?

    We are very sorry. I have to say that it is the 1 time someone has tought me that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post
    Actually I watched the Arabesque 5-minute info-mercial and was absolutely captivated. All these years of dancing and teaching and I had no idea that belly dance would do everything for me except brush my teeth and braid my hair: make me a goddess, give me a place in the time and space continuum that I can even share with friends... why hasn't anyone told me this before? You all have been holding out on me, haven't you?
    Oh surely you are not being sarcastic here
    You must be careful as I know a friend of mine on Merseyside who attended one of her specialist workshops and dared to say something less than complimentary when questioned by ( as it turned out a plant of said teacher) a dancer as to said teacher's skill as a dancer and teacher. She received a letter saying she would receive the curse of the goddess.
    In fact I think most of us not in her magic circle are under threat.
    As I said on another thread..she does not represent belly dance on Merseyside, only herself. And if she had carried on learning to dance, instead of shooting off to develop her "own style" and teach, I have no doubt she would have become a skilful dancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post
    Actually I watched the Arabesque 5-minute info-mercial and was absolutely captivated. All these years of dancing and teaching and I had no idea that belly dance would do everything for me except brush my teeth and braid my hair: make me a goddess, give me a place in the time and space continuum that I can even share with friends... why hasn't anyone told me this before? You all have been holding out on me, haven't you?

    Dear Shanazel,
    The thing that constantly amazes me about any kind of Goddess movement is that it implies that there is nothing sacred or sublime about being human. There is nothing that celebrates our humanity more than belly dance. It is distinctly human among dances, even, as it does not strive to make humans better than we are, but revels in the very stuff that makes us human. What could be more important? Many concepts that are put on the stage seem to be about making people larger than life. But belly dance, on the stage and up close, is just the opposite. It is a totally human interaction. The authentic ethnic belly dancer does not try to cover the stage. She/he stays in her/his human shell and centers there, moving in and out of emotions that are all human, as large as life, but not larger, recognized by the audience because human universally feel the same things, though we may think differently about them. Belly dance is not about perfecting the human being in any way, but instead about expressing what and who humans are.
    Regards,
    A'isha

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfumeshop View Post
    Oh surely you are not being sarcastic here
    Ironic, yes; facetious, probably; gently mocking, sure; sarcastic- MOI?

    Absolutely agree with you, A'isha. Remember back in the seventies when those dreadful "please your husband" books came out? Fascinating Womanhood, Total Woman (which I thought of as "Totalled Woman"). They emphasized that women should be "Domestic Goddesses" while exhibiting "Child-like Anger" and other unnatural emotions guarenteed to make their husbands worship them and buy them diamonds and BMWs and stuff. (My favorite instruction in Fascinating Womanhood: when angry, beat on your husband's chest and call him "You big hairy beast" in order to make him feel strong and masculine.)

    Same idiocy, different century. Womanly is not enough- we gotta be goddess-like.

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    Those books sound most instructive - I'm looking for copies as of now.

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    Anisteph + Taheya,
    You are correct, the turkish fold is a move executed by kneeling with one's feet flat on the floor while lowering the upper half of the body to or nearer to the ground. When done correctly, this move can look very pretty and graceful. When done incorrectly, it looks like the dancer is presenting her crotch to the audience. The girl under discussion before was presenting her crotch to the audience *while* air humping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post

    Same idiocy, different century. Womanly is not enough- we gotta be goddess-like.
    sometimes i wonder about this whole goddess thing. is this a passive aggressive woman's reaction to male perception/objectification of the female? and these so called feminist types reinforce their "specialness" by invoking the goddess in them. why cant the real woman step up to the world at all times. is she not strong enough without "reinforcements". and this goddess what is the difference between me and her? one more thing to add to my list of things to contemplate because i just dont get it.

    uh shanazel dont you know that space travel is a very tiny phone booth, at most you can fit TWO people... HEL-LO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A'isha Azar View Post
    There is nothing that celebrates our humanity more than belly dance. It is distinctly human among dances, even, as it does not strive to make humans better than we are, but revels in the very stuff that makes us human. What could be more important? Many concepts that are put on the stage seem to be about making people larger than life. But belly dance, on the stage and up close, is just the opposite. It is a totally human interaction. The authentic ethnic belly dancer does not try to cover the stage. She/he stays in her/his human shell and centers there, moving in and out of emotions that are all human, as large as life, but not larger, recognized by the audience because human universally feel the same things, though we may think differently about them. Belly dance is not about perfecting the human being in any way, but instead about expressing what and who humans are.
    Regards,
    A'isha
    Oh boy !!! how much I would like to move with a magical way and be near Aisha having a coffee and just listening to her giving all her life thoughts on oriental dance !!! For so much time I was trying to find the phrase to explain this to my students and could not express it with words. Plssssssss Aisha let me use it as your quote !

    As for the teaching video's at youtube, they are like the bellydance attends, i dont believe they impress anyone beside their boyfriends (for the 2 first video's) about the "professional one" well they are among us, and we know them, to get them "Out of the Closet" is a thought, but sometimes we just dont want to be involved in the dust and the mag that exist inside that close, dirty, dark place and we just want to walk our own light way.

    Many students, funs of bellydance etc ask me how i'm not mad or what with things that happen in bellydance in Greece and abroad, and how I feel that teachers with NO knowledge have hundrends of students.
    Well... I believe in Karma, each teacher have the students that deserves, and on the other hand, specific kind of students, look for specific kind of teachers and i have kicked out of my class more students than what i have, or they leave at the test hour cause they feel that I'm not what they are seeking for.
    Plus everything is a matter of time.

    Maria Aya
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