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    Sad Last minute cancellations - what to do?!!!!

    Hi everyone! I have to vent!!!!! Here I am sitting in a gorgeous new costume with fabulous hair and makeup and nowhere to go! Why???? Because I was just cancelled on 30 minutes before a show! GRRRRRRRRR!
    I was asked yesterday to perform at a convalescent hospital by a woman who interrupted my class in order to get my business card. Not a good start! I knew that she probably didn't have a big budget. In Los Angeles the standard party rate is $150-$200 I charge between $150-$175 for a 15 - $20 minute show. I offered her a charity rate of $100. This was to be for their candlelight dinner party but she wanted me to perform at 2:30 on a friday - weird. So ok - I'm dressed, packed, ready - eyelashes and all and I get this phone call. Usually when the phone rings before a party I have a feeling something is about to go sour......She says" I can't afford $100 we don't have the budget.....schwarzenegger and his budget/no money....poor seniors....blah blah blah....I can pay you $60 for maybe a shorter show." Seriously peeved am I!!!! I say" Ok I'll do it only because I have already spent the time getting ready but it will be a shorter show." "How long?" she asks. About 10 minutes I said.
    She then starts to tell me how many songs she thinks I should do. I explain that I am a professional and that the show will be an appropriate length. So she declines my offer. No apology nothing! I am shocked!!!!!! I call her back. I start in on this whole thing about how it is very inappropriate to cancel like that and how I have already lost time and money preparing for her showing. I suggest a cancellation fee knowing I will get nowhere. She starts laughing at me and says I can get a dancer for less than $50 and hangs up on me. I have written a letter to her boss. Doubt it will do any good!
    Moral is STICK TO YOUR RATES!!!! Which I am glad I more or less did! And don't do a show for the Golden State Colonial Convalescent Hospital!
    But question is......what sort of contract does everyone use? How do you protect yourself from just this problem with cancellations?
    Oh well.....might as well practice in my new costume!

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    Come on sweeteie, have a hug *hug* That's all I have to offer since I have no experience. So cheer up! I am sure you are looking gorgeous in your new costume!!!

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    Some people have no shame.

    I'm not a professional dancer but if I was I'd negotiate fees and then have a contract for clients to sign that included cancellation fees. Then there'd be no squirming out of it or attempts to renegotiate terms at the last minute.

    Hope she gets something really inappropriate for her less than $50!

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    Quelle jerk! I suspect she was trying to get you to perform for free in the end.

    I suggest that you contact the Small Business Administration in your area and see what kind of contract language they recommend for your business. Or perhaps you could get help from your chamber of commerce. It shouldn't be hard to find just the right thing in Los Angeles!

    But always get a deposit which you stress that you'll keep as a cancellation fee if the performance is cancelled by the client within 48 hours of the event. If you are the cancelling party, of course, you must reimburse.

    That's just a start -- I have a feeling you'll need more if you're going to cover your most common concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eshta amar View Post
    Hi everyone! I have to vent!!!!! Here I am sitting in a gorgeous new costume with fabulous hair and makeup and nowhere to go! Why???? Because I was just cancelled on 30 minutes before a show! GRRRRRRRRR!
    I was asked yesterday to perform at a convalescent hospital by a woman who interrupted my class in order to get my business card. Not a good start! I knew that she probably didn't have a big budget. In Los Angeles the standard party rate is $150-$200 I charge between $150-$175 for a 15 - $20 minute show. I offered her a charity rate of $100. This was to be for their candlelight dinner party but she wanted me to perform at 2:30 on a friday - weird. So ok - I'm dressed, packed, ready - eyelashes and all and I get this phone call. Usually when the phone rings before a party I have a feeling something is about to go sour......She says" I can't afford $100 we don't have the budget.....schwarzenegger and his budget/no money....poor seniors....blah blah blah....I can pay you $60 for maybe a shorter show." Seriously peeved am I!!!! I say" Ok I'll do it only because I have already spent the time getting ready but it will be a shorter show." "How long?" she asks. About 10 minutes I said.
    She then starts to tell me how many songs she thinks I should do. I explain that I am a professional and that the show will be an appropriate length. So she declines my offer. No apology nothing! I am shocked!!!!!! I call her back. I start in on this whole thing about how it is very inappropriate to cancel like that and how I have already lost time and money preparing for her showing. I suggest a cancellation fee knowing I will get nowhere. She starts laughing at me and says I can get a dancer for less than $50 and hangs up on me. I have written a letter to her boss. Doubt it will do any good!
    Moral is STICK TO YOUR RATES!!!! Which I am glad I more or less did! And don't do a show for the Golden State Colonial Convalescent Hospital!
    But question is......what sort of contract does everyone use? How do you protect yourself from just this problem with cancellations?
    Oh well.....might as well practice in my new costume!
    Dear Eshta,
    Unfortunately, especially at such short notice, there is little you can do. If they had hired you months ago, you might have required a nonrefundable down payment, but mostly that just throws people off.
    For these kinds of shows I do not usually use a contract, but I also have never been burned in all the time I have been dancing, except twice when other dancers undercut me.
    There is little you can do under the circumstances except tell such customers that the belly dance network in your area will hear about them.... a pretty empty threat considering how many will stab you in the back for a few measly dollars, but still satisfying to say in a really snotty tone!!!
    Now, I am in a position to give you the name of a very good Karmic Hitman. His name is Vito the Snake and he has come through for me more than once. My religious convictions do not allow me to pursue any type of revenge but there is nothing that says I can't feel just a little smug if one of those who has treated me poorly happens on a bit of bad luck. Whenever such an event is brought to my attention, I chalk it up to Vito taking a moment out of his busy Hitman day to even up the Life Score!! (Maybe if we get together and go to him as a group, he will give us a Bellydance discount.)
    With sympathy and best regards,
    A'isha

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    Quote Originally Posted by A'isha Azar View Post
    Dear Eshta,
    Unfortunately, especially at such short notice, there is little you can do. If they had hired you months ago, you might have required a nonrefundable down payment, but mostly that just throws people off.
    For these kinds of shows I do not usually use a contract, but I also have never been burned in all the time I have been dancing, except twice when other dancers undercut me.
    There is little you can do under the circumstances except tell such customers that the belly dance network in your area will hear about them.... a pretty empty threat considering how many will stab you in the back for a few measly dollars, but still satisfying to say in a really snotty tone!!!
    Now, I am in a position to give you the name of a very good Karmic Hitman. His name is Vito the Snake and he has come through for me more than once. My religious convictions do not allow me to pursue any type of revenge but there is nothing that says I can't feel just a little smug if one of those who has treated me poorly happens on a bit of bad luck. Whenever such an event is brought to my attention, I chalk it up to Vito taking a moment out of his busy Hitman day to even up the Life Score!! (Maybe if we get together and go to him as a group, he will give us a Bellydance discount.)
    With sympathy and best regards,
    A'isha
    oh my F'ng G... you (& VITO!!!!!!) are Hilarious!!!!!! I too have been lucky enough not to have the TOTALLY last minute cancel thing happen (KNOCK on SERIOUS wood!!!)..... but damn.... how rude!!!..... how UN cool..... HOW TELL EVERYONE!!!!!....... & hopefully they will get.... WHAT was that chick's name from the other thread????? the "goddess" dancer?? the 3 steps from stripper dancer????? go Vito GO!!!!!
    oops.... am I being BOB????? (I hope so!!!!!!)

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    May Vito spill red wine all over her white dress in the fanciest restaurant in town. Further more, when she jumps up from her seat in order to yell at Vito, may her flailing arms hit a waiter who is bearing a steaming caldron of red sauce, causing him to dump it on top of her freshly coiffed hair. AND FURTHER MORE- may the photographer from the local newspaper be there with both his camera and a serious personal grudge against the reneging-person.

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    Dear A'isha,

    Does Vito, travel to HK??? LOL.

    Dear Estha Amar,

    My sympathy and hugs for you!!!

    I does happen from time to time. I have been through this once. I always make sure I do a contract agreement with them and take the down payment before hand. With internet banking, there is no excuse for not paying the deposit. Even if it is a last minute gig, I email the contract to the client and ask them to deposit 50% via internet banking. Many people do internet banking here. If I don't know the client, no money no show!!!

    Don't feel too bad. It is part of being a bellydancer I guess.

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    Dear Janaki,
    Being Karmic and all, Vito can be anywhere in the blink of an eye... AND he LOVES to travel!!! However, do not try to find him at the airport. You never really know what he is going to look like until the very moment he does the job.
    Regards,
    A'isha
    (who clearly is on an all too intimate basis with her imaginary friends when she starts introducing them around!)



    Quote Originally Posted by janaki View Post
    Dear A'isha,

    Does Vito, travel to HK??? LOL.

    Dear Estha Amar,

    My sympathy and hugs for you!!!

    I does happen from time to time. I have been through this once. I always make sure I do a contract agreement with them and take the down payment before hand. With internet banking, there is no excuse for not paying the deposit. Even if it is a last minute gig, I email the contract to the client and ask them to deposit 50% via internet banking. Many people do internet banking here. If I don't know the client, no money no show!!!

    Don't feel too bad. It is part of being a bellydancer I guess.

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    Dear A'isha,



    I see the other side of A'isha, the funny side!!! You are a cool lady!!!

    Tks for introducing Vito to us and I feel soooooooooooo safe and secure as a bellydancer now!!

    Vito on demand and Vito and command!!! Now I am LMAO!!!
    Hugs
    Janaki

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