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    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    ok well i could have just been mistaught, but i was instructed to do my egyptian shimmy from the knees. it still looks smooth...but the knees are definitely there.
    snap. it starts in the knees, and just gets so fast the audience concentrate on the hips- the knee-jerk reaction of the movement of the knees. The knees don't stop moving.

    A 'class; I do, people still use their knees, simply because they haven't built up the speed of the 'smooth' shimmy, but they will of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatasaofGreece View Post
    Well there are various shimmies,but concerning this with the knees,i believe is more Egyptian..When i'd been in Egypt at april for the Nile group festival,all teachers told us that the real shimmy comes from the knees...Personally,i prefer the one coming from the hips,i find it more impressive!
    So,the decision is up to u!
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    Dear Natasao,
    may be you wasn't at all teachers at the Nile group, I am a teacher there too, and I am teaching basics and foundations at the Festival, and the question about the knee shimmies appears often.
    If we are looking at the pionneers dancers in Egyptian Oriental Dance like Samia,Tahia, Naima, we cannot discover with them the knee shimmies, they show the shimmies from the hips. So why the knee shimmy should be called Egyptian shimmy, when there is no roots,
    the knee shimmy is more a modern developpment in the kinds of shimmies, which is used today by many modern dancers, as well based in Cairo, but we should not called it Egyptian Shimmy

    Nuriyya
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuriyyayasalam View Post
    Dear Natasao,
    may be you wasn't at all teachers at the Nile group, I am a teacher there too, and I am teaching basics and foundations at the Festival, and the question about the knee shimmies appears often.
    If we are looking at the pionneers dancers in Egyptian Oriental Dance like Samia,Tahia, Naima, we cannot discover with them the knee shimmies, they show the shimmies from the hips. So why the knee shimmy should be called Egyptian shimmy, when there is no roots,
    the knee shimmy is more a modern developpment in the kinds of shimmies, which is used today by many modern dancers, as well based in Cairo, but we should not called it Egyptian Shimmy

    Nuriyya
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    Do you know when the "Egyptian" knee shimmy appeared?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suheir View Post
    Do you know when the "Egyptian" knee shimmy appeared?
    The knee shimmy became popular with Raqia and Dina, in their choreographies and dances you can find the appearance of the "knee shimmy"

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    It is quite obvious that the so called "knee shimmy" as a sort of vibration, has developed from the smaller vibration shimmy. These shimmy types are to be seen throughout Egyptian dancers, not only the ones of the passed 20 years. However, music has changed since the days of Samia, Tahiya etc. there the music did not call for faster shimmies, the hip shimmy (carried out in a sitting position, as many Egyptian call it with knees quite bent and no tuck) would do. Futher it was hardly layerd and not done over longer periods of time.
    Hanan a dancer famous arond 1980 was famous for her shimmies (vibration type), Mona did vibrations and on Fifi one is able to see the change to the larger "knee shimmy". So since everyone is free to name movements - why not Egyptian Shimmy - it is certainly not Turkish or other.

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    Hi Nuriyya!
    Nice to talk with u..Firstly,i didn't want to offend u or the Egyptian style in anyway..Of course i couln't be in all classes at the Nilegroup Festival,but all teachers i had(even Farida Fahmy)exept Hassan Khalil,told us that the real Shimmy comes from the knees..And as a result we all thought that this might be the Egyptian Shimmy!Even dancers were dancing like that! however i'm glad if it's not true cause i really prefer shimmy comming from the hips as i said
    I'll be in Egypt next April 4 nilegroup seminars & i'd be glad to attend ur lesson! Nice to talk with u again..
    Kisses

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatasaofGreece View Post
    Hi Nuriyya!
    Nice to talk with u..Firstly,i didn't want to offend u or the Egyptian style in anyway..Of course i couln't be in all classes at the Nilegroup Festival,but all teachers i had(even Farida Fahmy)exept Hassan Khalil,told us that the real Shimmy comes from the knees..And as a result we all thought that this might be the Egyptian Shimmy!Even dancers were dancing like that! however i'm glad if it's not true cause i really prefer shimmy comming from the hips as i said
    I'll be in Egypt next April 4 nilegroup seminars & i'd be glad to attend ur lesson! Nice to talk with u again..
    Kisses

    Natasa dear, I also was in the class of Farida Fahmy in Cairo with you and I remember her telling that she actually doesn't use shimmies, because it is a newer invention and that she only noticed, that most dancers today make the shimmy with the knees (or better to say with stretched knees). So the shimmy she showed us was not out of her personal experience, but out of her observation of the modern dancers. Opposite to this, Professor Khalil (in whose seminar I was also participating together with you honey ), answered explicitly YOUR question to him about the shimmy, telling that the only real Mediterranean shimmy, so to say classical shimmy, is the one made with bended knees, but produced with the upper part of the legs and being most visible at the hips. Even Farida Fahmy said that this is the "rural" (fellahi) shimmy, when she was asking us to demonstrate a shimmy and I demonstrated this "hip" shimmy. So the classical shimmy is the one with bended knees, concentrating on the hip. The modern Cairo shimmy (this is how Liza Laziza called it), is the one made with stretched knees. To be honest I hate the modern shimmy, because a) it ruins your knees, b) you cannot integrate it that well in steps and hip figures.
    By the way, also Dr. Mo Geddawi and Momo Kadous (both of them two of the most important Egyptian teachers), explain the shimmy the same way Professor Khalil does. To be honest, I was really relieved, when I visited Professor Khalil's class and I saw him doing the same shimmy I had learned from my not famous Egyptian teacher Leila, from whom I mainly learned the Egyptian belly dance. She did only bended-knee-hip shimmies (and her shimmies were fantastic!). So me personally is not ever going to do this "modern" unhealthy shimmy.
    As about the "Chou Chou" shimmy, Egyptian dancers use it only on certain parts of music and actually quite rare.
    By the way, Ariella dear, there is no Egyptian shimmy produced with the heel. This is American shimmy.

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    Hi chryssanthi,

    I am pretty new to belly dancing & have been struggling with my shimmy ever since. I was taught the "knee shimmy". But I couldn't get it to move smoothly & fast as most dancers do which causes my movement to be jerky & inconsistent. The more I practiced, I find that the more I couldn't do it & I start having knee pain.

    I have been questioning myself, do I have the right "shimmy" technique? If yes, then, why I couldn't do it as well as others. hmm.. where does the energy of shimmy coming from.. from the hips or knees..

    I'm truly happy to know that there are shimmy from the hip (bended-knee-hip shimmy). I would love to relearn my shimmy. Hopefully, I won't have knee pain anymore. Do you know any resources which I could refer to on how to do proper shimmy drills without injury to the knees? Thanks.

    Another question, how to do shimmy without turning it into vibrations?

    Thanks alot!

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    dear Natasa
    welcome in Cairo, welcome at the Nilegroup Festival, but also welcome to the International Saray for Oriental Culture, Prof Khalil's private Middle Eastern dance and research institute in Cairo.
    Looking forward to discuss with you next April all the topics concerning the shimmies, this is like a never ending story, depending from which point of vue you are looking for it.

    Each teacher has his own point of vue, but we should always refer to the roots.

    Nuriyya


    Quote Originally Posted by NatasaofGreece View Post
    Hi Nuriyya!
    Nice to talk with u..Firstly,i didn't want to offend u or the Egyptian style in anyway..Of course i couln't be in all classes at the Nilegroup Festival,but all teachers i had(even Farida Fahmy)exept Hassan Khalil,told us that the real Shimmy comes from the knees..And as a result we all thought that this might be the Egyptian Shimmy!Even dancers were dancing like that! however i'm glad if it's not true cause i really prefer shimmy comming from the hips as i said
    I'll be in Egypt next April 4 nilegroup seminars & i'd be glad to attend ur lesson! Nice to talk with u again..
    Kisses

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    Dear mbellI.

    It is very difficult to explain the shimmy technique only by words, without having the opportunity to demonstrate it. There was a great video back at the end of the 80ies with Zahra, a great Arabian dancer who lives in Germany, where she was demonstrating this classic shimmy technique I'm talking about, among other basic moves and steps of the Arabian belly dance. But this video is unfortunately not available any more
    The only thing I could tell you is, that you have your knees slightly bended, you start moving the upper legs up and down (and not forth and back like with the stretched-knee shimmy) so that your hip also moves up and down and you try to speed up so that the movement completly transfers to the hip and to the butt. But probably it is difficult to understand what I mean, if you cannot watch it.
    By the way, what do you mean with vibration? Shimmy is actually a vibration, but an isolated one (only hip, only shoulders, only belly. O.k. the latter is a very rare and difficult shimmy).

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