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    Oh I DEFINATELY know I have a lot more out there to learn!!! I still travel around and go to workshops, plus my monthly class in Louisville, but there's just nothing here locally, on a weekly basis, for me. Pretty much all the classes are beginner level (which I DO take, once a week, just to keep proper form) and I do have my international dance class, which I love and always keeps me learning.

    It's not like I WANT to stop learning -- and I'd LOVE to be in a weekly class with other people my level. There's just no demand for it here, and no one to teach it. I'm still working with videos, and I'll continue to do workshops. I'm just sort of wondering what to DO with the knowledge and skill I already have!

    (But I'm starting to figure that out!)
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    Aziyade, I would imagine that achieving some success in competitions would give you an edge in offering more advanced workshops at various events and perhaps even teaching on the college level. In which case, you could potentially write off the expenses of travel and fees, etc. as professional business costs.

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    Here is a suggestion for teaching...Remember this is coming from a beginner however. Does your area have Community Education classes? If so you could consider teaching through community ed one or two nights a week, which would safe you time and they usually set you up in a room in a school so you won't have to worry about renting out space, PLUS you get paid! You will be RICH! $$$$ lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Aziyade View Post
    Oh I just love you guys! Thanks for all the sweet welcome backs

    Asim, thanks for the link. I like how you broke it down. I think I'd like to definately do more cultural events (assuming we actually HAVE any) and possibly some higher-end shows. There are 2 specific charity gigs I'd like to have here, and I probably could get them since they don't PAY anything, but all the really GOOD local artists perform at them, so it would be sort of legitimizing myself as a real "Artist" to perform at them. I think I'll focus on getting those two (which are both in February and March) right now.

    On the teaching thing, I enjoy doing it, but the hassles of trying to rent space from a dance studio and trying to have multiple levels of classes and trying to make everybody happy is just exhausting. I'm working with a teacher in Louisville who has some of the same problems I have with so many different levels of students, and I'm hoping to come up with some kind of solution.

    The problem I'm mostly running into is not having enough time to prepare a class, teach it, commute to it, practice, rehearse with my own group, cook dinner, love my family, and still have time to knit and do OTHER non-dance related stuff.

    Removing the teaching is going to help me regain some hours. I'm not quitting permanently, but I need to figure out if I'm going to really actively market our "school" or just teach here and there. That's something I need to put some effort into thinking about.

    A'isha -- I love the "now you are enlightened" comment. That's exactly how I feel. Like I got the message: Now you are enlightened, now go do something productive with it!

    I think it would help if I could actually attend something other than a beginner's class, but frankly (and not to blow my own horn) I'm more experienced and knowledgeable than most of the other teachers and student teachers in town, and the lady who I student taught under (who's been dancing for 20+ years) has already told me that I've gone well beyond what she knows. That's what I mean by "advanced" -- I'd LOVE to be a "continuing" student of somebody's, but I have to drive 2 hours to do that, and that's been hard to do every week in the BEST of years!

    A'isha, you said a lot would depend on what my goals are. I think I just need to do some serious soul-searching to figure that out. I know I want to perform, and I don't mind at all performing for free IF I feel I am educating somebody in the process. I just need to think about this a lot. You've given me some EXCELLENT ideas on how to approach branching out as an entertainer. THANK YOU!!

    Competitions would be great -- I really need to do Shakira's competition. I think I would benefit A LOT from having some professional criticism.

    So many ideas ... I love you ALL!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KuteNurse View Post
    If so you could consider teaching through community ed one or two nights a week, which would safe you time and they usually set you up in a room in a school so you won't have to worry about renting out space, PLUS you get paid! You will be RICH! $$$$ lol





    Shanazel, who teaches two belly dance classes a week through city parks and rec, and who also taught writing through the community college continuing ed program, and who STILL is not getting rich.

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    LOLOL! I think you must be doing something wrong then Shan, cuz by now you should be rolling in the dough $$$$$$$


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    Shanazel, who teaches two belly dance classes a week through city parks and rec, and who also taught writing through the community college continuing ed program, and who STILL is not getting rich.

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    Hi Kute Nurse,

    Community Ed is notoriously low-paying. I am fairly certain that my instructors make between $10 and $20/class (notice I said class, not hour), and it's probably on the low end of that. I take two team-taught classes, and I'm sure splitting the profit doesn't help.

    Better not plan to leave your day job for bellydancing! Whatever nurses make per hour, it's far more profitable than teaching dance. Plus, you can work 8 hours at a stretch, don't have to plan out your workshift during unpaid time, and hopefully you get health insurance to boot.

    da Sage

    Edit: Also, the point of community ed is to educate the community, not to maximize profit for the teacher. I imagine that the people who handle booking classes enforce this ideal as they negotiate class cost and teacher compensation, even if the teacher would rather have different cost/pay amounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by da Sage View Post
    Hi Kute Nurse,

    Community Ed is notoriously low-paying. I am fairly certain that my instructors make between $10 and $20/class (notice I said class, not hour), and it's probably on the low end of that. I take two team-taught classes, and I'm sure splitting the profit doesn't help.

    Better not plan to leave your day job for bellydancing! Whatever nurses make per hour, it's far more profitable than teaching dance. Plus, you can work 8 hours at a stretch, don't have to plan out your workshift during unpaid time, and hopefully you get health insurance to boot.

    da Sage

    Edit: Also, the point of community ed is to educate the community, not to maximize profit for the teacher. I imagine that the people who handle booking classes enforce this ideal as they negotiate class cost and teacher compensation, even if the teacher would rather have different cost/pay amounts.

    Dear Group,
    Several years ago I was offered a job teaching through Extended Learning for the community college program. The salary was $17.50 an hour. I feel that I have done enough community service through dance and I turned it down and gave the job to a dancer who was less experienced, but had some teaching under her belt. I saw her teach once and I felt that she had good skills. She was looking for work and she is very happy with the job. I taught at the YWCA for several years before I moved on to a regular dance studio to teach and it was a very good way to gain more teaching experience.
    I teach three regular classes a week, private and semi private classes, I travel to teach workshops and I have dance company rehearsals most weeks, so I feel that my plate is full and would not want to take on more regular weekly classes.
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    I make about $2 per hour more teaching belly dance than I make after nine years at my day job, but I can't teach dance 8 hours per day. You want to view seriously underpaid employees, go visit your local law offices and check out the legal assistants and legal secretaries who keep the highly compensated attorneys functioning.

    My bd teaching job is a nice chunk of extra money, I mostly enjoy it, and I will probably keep doing it at least another year or two before I retire from belly dance again (the first two times I retired didn't quite "take"). Recently, the city raised class prices in response to increased costs, and there was some grumbling from folks who thought the increase was to go to teacher salaries. It is so much easier to form a grudge against individuals than it is against rising costs of electricity, heat, and new ice making equipment for the ice rink.

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    Yep, the sad and infuriating fact is that our society pretends to value teachers but pays them so little in scale with the education, experience and responsibility they're required to have.

    But if you need a job that has to do with what you love, teaching is one of the few fairly reliable options. Working for yourself is more satisfying in terms of getting to charge and keep what you get paid, setting your own scedule, being your own boss, etc. but working for someone else is the way one usually acquires the experience and confidence needed to strike out on one's own.

    If you can skip that step, more power to you!

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    Hiya da Sage!

    I was at the Med Cruise this evening with my husband. I didn't think there would be dancers because it was Sunday night, however, they had open stage with beginner dancers. The dancers were pretty good considering...They must have had at least 2 years of experience behind them. It was unplanned for us to go there, but I am glad I did. I still would like meeting you at the Cruise....

    I was teasing when I said Comm Ed BD teachers make a lot of money. Well partly. My instructor last year, made a profit on everything we did. First of all, the minute we walked into the class, she was selling us a practice dvd for $20. It was helpful I will admit, however, she then sold us music for $5, tickets to her show for $20, hip scarfs for like $50-$85, then she tried to get us to her studio for another $30, the list goes on...She was one to monopolize from her students. The instructor I have now, charges hardly anything for classes and has not pushed anything on us. She told us about her show on Oct. 20th and she is only charging $8 per ticket. She is completely the opposite and she is an awesome teacher. I hope you are doing well and your dancing is well. Are you doing the workshops the week of Oct 16th? I will not be able to attend due to work

    Quote Originally Posted by da Sage View Post
    Hi Kute Nurse,

    Community Ed is notoriously low-paying. I am fairly certain that my instructors make between $10 and $20/class (notice I said class, not hour), and it's probably on the low end of that. I take two team-taught classes, and I'm sure splitting the profit doesn't help.

    Better not plan to leave your day job for bellydancing! Whatever nurses make per hour, it's far more profitable than teaching dance. Plus, you can work 8 hours at a stretch, don't have to plan out your workshift during unpaid time, and hopefully you get health insurance to boot.

    da Sage

    Edit: Also, the point of community ed is to educate the community, not to maximize profit for the teacher. I imagine that the people who handle booking classes enforce this ideal as they negotiate class cost and teacher compensation, even if the teacher would rather have different cost/pay amounts.

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