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    okay okay...nuff said.....got your point selkie, however when I suggested that she say she was Canadian I didn't realize it would upset a Canadian !! I was mearly saying what I think is a good idea should she feel that being in the middle east and pronouncing that she is American would make her feel vunurable, and why not? I still stick to that. And why should we asume that one of our friends here from the forum would be one of the 'nasty' ones anyway ???
    When an Australian gets mistaken for being British abroad, I don't get mardy, I find it amusing !! personally am English, when a Scott for example or a Welsh, or an Irish say that they are British abroad and the locals that lack education think that that means they are 'english' it really doesn't wind me up atall. We are all human x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selkie View Post
    I understood it. It was rather antagonizingly phrased, however. There was nothing in my post to suggest anything about my personal relationships with Americans. My post was purely about the repercussions Canadian travellers are encountering from American tourists lying about their nationality. You suggested to someone that they should do this and I was describing why that was *not* a good idea. Lying about their nationality does not help the American tourists and it does further damage to their international reputation. The only other people who lie about their nationality are criminals; when an American tourist lies about their nationality, the local people wonder what else they're hiding. Its not good, it creates problems for the honest American tourists who don't stoop to such tactics, it further damages the reputation of the American tourists, and it causes problems for the genuine Canadian tourists. I am not anti-American; I am anti-dishonesty. I am also anti-jumping to conclusions and putting words in people's mouths
    Yoiks - well I know you're not anti american hon - but me, I'm american and I would be tempted to make a disclaimer these days.

    I just suck it up and remind people that all americans are NOT alike and did not elect the same officials and do not approve of the same attitudes

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    Selkie, was there something you didn't understand about my apology? If it pleases you to continue your portion of the rant, you are welcome to do so, but I am finished with the subject.
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    well said Shanazel, me too xxx
    its ruined this thread.

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    I suggest you post another exciting travel story, Demelza To come back to the original topic.

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    By all means, another travel story from Demelza. Do you travel to the middle east specifically in search of costumes? I am really curious to know how you go about something like that. Do you have special source or do you wander the souks and markets in search of treasures? (Oh, please tell me romantic stories and not that you buy them at the equivalent of Macys!)
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    aaahh bless you both moon and shanazel xx

    I will tell you more stories, I will write tonight with a glass of wine !

    In the mean time I'll tell you how I get my costumes. . .

    Well, the situation is this..... My Egyptian husbands family are in the business. . . HOWEVER...very recently we had a big fall out (actuallly just before I went down to Cairo) ....so I - being my stubborn independent self, decided to purchase most of my goods elsewhere from old friends. I went to the market in Cairo - "Hussain" or "Khan il Khalili" as it is otherwise known. It is a HUGE market, very very old - beside the Hussain mosque. The streets are narrow - most of them are half the width of a car...and they smell so nice. Imagine a beautiful infussion of spices and incense, apple tobacco, toasting chestnuts and corn....it's just wonderfull. I know allot of the dealers there... because we (being my husband and I) also deal in camel chairs, shishas, etc etc... so I smile and great my way through the dark passage ways. In some places I have to walk through what can only be described as pitch black arches, some of which are maybe 50 meters long. I am not the kind of girl to get afraid, but if I was it would probably be when I walk through those bits on my own !! There are many poor children and women, men with diseased legs etc. and as much as I can I give them any change I have in my pockets. Other than that the sights are delightful, brass vases and plates, copper trinket boxes, bright cotton galabyas and wooden instruments...nut stalls selling pecan, pistachio,sudani nuts and roasting cashews ! ....... and I walk. Anything I hear behind me goes in one ear and out of the other...I never look behind. and I walk......sometimes I look up at the little balconies where children's off-white vests adhorn the washing lines, and the smell of home cooked egyptian food floats down. And I smile....... Eventually I reach my dealer. His shop is down a dark alley way, but once inside I am greeted with all the colours of the rainbow... and shelves and shelves of 'just delivered' costumes and hip scarves. It is also a family run business a father and 3 sons. The father sits just outside the door with his shisha pipe and tea, usually entertaining an old friend or something, and the sons who are all in their early 30's make the deals. So usually I stand in front of the fan for a couple of minutes just to cool down, and they bring me coffee..'ahwa'...strong thick sweet coffee in a little cup. There are also 4 young girls who work in the shop, they organise the shelves, take costumes down, hang them up again, search for the right colours and sizes, and pack boxes of orders. I've never seen such professional box packers !! The way they rip the boxes down to make them smaller and tape them with duck tape and spin them around is always intrieging !! So I sit, and joke with the guys, and the girls, catch up with their news, and start to choose my goods. I choose a pile, then discuss and argue the prices. (maybe they offer me a little hashish to chill) - (oopps)....And we laugh and discuss the price again and I bargain again and change my mind on colours and styles and choose aload more. . . So thats how it goes. I spend a couple of hours, then go back again maybe later that day, then the next day and the next, to see if more costumes have come from the ladies who make them. . and once its all done, the girls pack the boxes like lightning as we do a final count and receipt (fatora)...and I bring a boy from the street who has a cart to heave the boxes out of the alleyway, through the narrow streets, through the tunnels/arches...left then right then right then left, up more passage ways and dark sweet smelling streets, past the mosque and onto the rmain road, and onto the roof of a taxi or 2. . . . Usually at the end of a deal we take a trip to a cabaret, laugh drink and dance and stay till the early hours....the work that end is done... xx
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    Demelza, if you ever decide to write a book, let me know when it's finished! I'd really like to read it!

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    ooohh moon......how I would love to !! but I just don't have the patience...I find it hard just waiting for the kettle to boil !! Maybe I could just do little pieces and then add them all together at the end ? watch this space xx

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    on 2nd thoughts no i just couldn't do it x

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