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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve View Post
    do you have a link?

    If it's encouraging women to feel confident about themselves I see no harm. There's plenty of fantasy bd out there like it or not
    Your link me dear.


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    sent to my email account..looks like a good day otherwise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizaj View Post
    the Benny Hill approach to belly Dancing?
    HAHAHAHAHA! That's exactly what it is. I'm now imagining the little bald bloke standing in the corner with a huge tray of Turkish Delight!

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    I can't see it, I have to sign in

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    I agree with what LizaJ said. I'd definitely be put off by the slave girl bit (you'd have to lure me in with extra Turkish Delight, he he he...)

    Moon, it's the one listed here
    Sevenveils.co.uk - A UK Middle Eastern / Belly Dance Shop and Magazine Website
    (warning, if of a sensitive disposition put your tea down before you click the "more info" link... )
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    So this is the sultan we have to face?




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    I guess so!
    I don't know what that eye make up is about - way too reminiscent of the swans in Matthew Bourne's Swan Lake for my liking, they were very scary.



    Perhaps Ozgen does it to ward off the attentions of hordes of wannabe slave girls...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizaj View Post
    Hi Eve
    Oh there's not a lot wrong with a bit of fantasy here and there and some would say we are all fantasists wanting to belly dance.
    But I think so many teachers and trainers are trying to get away from the "How to dance for your Sultan" image and promote the dance as a serious cultural or fitness activity that this seems out of kilter with all the workshops I have ever attended. I have never seen anything like this in our "neck of the woods", at JoY for example.
    Also so many students are like myself are never going to imagine we fit into the slave girl image( or want to!) so I think it is poor marketing.
    From what I gather the teacher is an excellent dancer and teacher so why go for a "Carry On Bellydancing..." flavour. ( and I speak as a great Sid James and co. fan)
    No it's not all about being serious all the time but this is a real dance from and I fear the old hackneyed Hollywood fantasy thingy does none of us any favours and should be kicked into touch.
    Absolutely LizaJ. Ozgen is indeed a talented dancer (not sure I've seen him perform 'belly dance' as I know it but he's a very charismatic performer) and from what I've heard an exceptional teacher. Pity the need to resort to the lowest common denominator to plug his workshops. I guess each to their own, and no doubt this descriptive will sell out, to a certain audience.

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    If I lived darn saaf and he was teaching I'd go one of his workshops. I hope Mandy hires him for JoY some time. I've really liked what I see on Youtube and have heard his praises sung by students BUT I am sure you can be light-hearted without this panto approach. I think it demeans what you are trying to do. I went ( no laughing ) to a burley workshop and it was fun but the teacher was serious about us getting the premise right ( she is anti-fusing it, by the way). I think they are doing themselves a diservice as most students are serious about dancing correctly and not indulging in knock-about.
    There is a place for a bit of tongue in cheek and comic opera in any dance form but it needs a skilfull actor/dancer to pull it off. Comedy is hard work. I did a sketch with a friend a few years ago ( actually 3 ) with us as Patsy and Edina belly dancing..it took a lot of time and effort to be funny and dance as well as we could at the same time. How sucessful we were ..folks seemed to like it but who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizaj View Post
    If I lived darn saaf and he was teaching I'd go one of his workshops. I hope Mandy hires him for JoY some time. I've really liked what I see on Youtube and have heard his praises sung by students BUT I am sure you can be light-hearted without this panto approach
    Hmm. I see the organiser of the workshop has replied that it's meant to be "fun, flirty and feminine" - is not the implied premise of the workshop title actually "Which one of us are you going to have sex with?" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizaj View Post
    If I lived darn saaf and he was teaching I'd go one of his workshops.
    I feel like Jimmy Saville!
    24th June, Leeds area. Ozgen - Harem Ottoman style dance . Entrance to the Harem to face the Sultan with veil and the second workshop will be Gypsy dance with Tambourine . (Less exotic and slave in the text promoting this one)
    Are you allowed across the Pennines more that twice yearly for JOY?

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