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    I met her once at a workshop, and she is the sweetest thing ever.

    I have enjoyed some of her videos and her dances,

    but...when my students see her, I often remind them:

    That may fly in California, but don't try that here in a small Texas Southern Baptist Town!

    The one move I am referring to is in her sword video, she balances it on her chest...

    do that here, and the audience may spontanously get up and start a protest! (picture Spongebob cartoon where the fish all whip out their signs and pitchforks!)

    But it did show the students that "practices and standards" vary by location, even within the same country (even within the same town!), and one should be aware of that when traveling for shows, workshops, whatever.

    When Princess Farhana danced at the workshop, she was wonderful! Her belly rolls were the most amazing I have ever seen. As one audience member described it: It was like she had a ball in her belly she could move anywhere she wanted! Sounds strange, but believe me, her control and range of motion were "Wow!"

    Nor did she moon anyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midoria View Post
    It's very difficult to find information that is not biased when it comes to religious issues, especially Islam because it has not undergone any real reform like Judaism and Christianity.

    I think I can dig up something suitable for you. PM and let me know exactly what about hijab you'd like to know, and I'll get back to you. Don't want to get too far off topic.
    i find it very interesting the whole headdress things since back in the middle ages christian women did the same thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violeetsidhe View Post
    i find it very interesting the whole headdress things since back in the middle ages christian women did the same thing
    And still do if they're nuns, and aren't there some christian denominations that do in every day life? Can't remember what they are but see them every now and again and they are small and triangular (the headscarves, not the people )

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    Karena I am not sure what the order is called, but in the villages in my country (Slovakia) women, mostly from the older generation, still wear headscarves because according to the tradition married women covered their hair and they are "normal" catholics, no particular denomination. Nowadays you don't see that anymore, even with women who are very devout. So this practice is dissappearing progressively. I guess it comes from the jewish tradition where married women cover their hair, and therefore nuns cover their hair because they are regarded as "married" in spiritual terms (if I am not mistaken, I admit I know very little about nuns and all that).
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    Good for her bad for the dance.... Sex sells after all....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranya View Post
    Karena I am not sure what the order is called, but in the villages in my country (Slovakia) women, mostly from the older generation, still wear headscarves because according to the tradition married women covered their hair and they are "normal" catholics, no particular denomination. Nowadays you don't see that anymore, even with women who are very devout. So this practice is dissappearing progressively. I guess it comes from the jewish tradition where married women cover their hair, and therefore nuns cover their hair because they are regarding as "married" in spiritual terms (if I am not mistaken, I admit I know very little about nuns and all that).
    My both granma's used to wear head- dress because it was 'decent' for a married woman to do so!

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    Yeah, I don't know why Christians get all weirded out about Mulimahs' headscarves...if they'd bothered to read the Bible, they'd see it's required for Christians, too (depending on how seriously you take Paul's directives).

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    Of course, the problem with letting someone make a documentary on you, is they can spin it however they want, and you can't do anything about it. I'd much rather have Miles Copeland do a documentary on me, than some of the sensationalist filmmakers out there. Theoretically, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da Sage View Post
    Yeah, I don't know why Christians get all weirded out about Mulimahs' headscarves...if they'd bothered to read the Bible, they'd see it's required for Christians, too (depending on how seriously you take Paul's directives).
    Well THAT is the cause with lot of Atheists too, whether it is a muslim head-dress or say a crucifix.... I know some schools would not tolerate something like that.... I think it is not about Muslims vs Christians, but "Us vs Them"... I suppose if you go without a head-dress in acounty where it is accepted you will be in trouble as well... Sad.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midoria View Post
    So as I said before, I have no right to talk about Princess Farhana. I’ve done what she’s doing. It's not the exact same thing, but it's very similar. Some of the exact same phrases and attitudes used towards me have been used towards Princess F. in the dance community.

    I don't really find a problem with belly dancers ,while some others who come from the same cultural and religous background as me do. Although I don't agree with them, and their viewpoints sometimes make me boil, I still try to understand where they are coming from. For somebody who is speaking from a religous point of view, they are absolutely right. I dare anybody to find me an imam or Christian priest who thinks it is acceptable for women to dance in a sequined bra in public. I've recently read a comment by an American dancer who said in his review that the personal beliefs of Egyptians are "religous nonsense", because they expect people to be modest and women not to dance half naked in public. Well, guess what? Not everyone is willing to reform a religion that has existed more than a thousand years so that it fits their own lifestyle and in order to please others. I've seen many negative things written about my country, where belly dancing comes from , it surprizes me that people who say these things continue to listen to our music and perform our cultural dances...

    about Princess Farhana, for those complaining "look what she's wearing, she's sending the wrong image yadda yadda yadda. Something to learn from this clip is what may be "okay" for one person, may be too much or extreme for someone else. I know many Middle Easterners who also think that dancing in a badla is giving the "wrong image" about their culture, just like belly dancers in badlas who think this bum shaking lady is giving them a bad name. I am not fond of burlesque, I don't like to see women oversexualizing themselves, as I personally think it takes away from a woman's dignity. But, I've seen much worse representations of women and/or belly dancing in hollywood films and rap videos, so I don't understand why is it a huge problem. Her presentation did make me laugh. It's silly and definately not anything like Middle Eastern dancing, but I don't see the difference between Princess Farhana and a few other American dancers who are so convinced that they're actually performing the "real Middle Eastern dancing" (no fusion) when they're actually not... at least she's not delusional!!

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