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    That kid was pretty cute actually! At least he didn't make any noise or touch other people's stuff.

    And what kind of dance was that???

    Check this, from the same series: YouTube - Commentary on mom bellydancing

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    OMG that made me laugh out loud!! "And everything is sooo saaaad, and then they go to hawaii, and moore saaad things happen" hahaha!!!

    There´s nothing like a videocamera and a kid commentating, as a tool to see if you get your message through in your dancing.

    But that dance was weird...I sympathize with the boy.
    immer glimmer

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    Ok here is the god's honest truth about this situation. I know this very well since I am an instructor and my students often bring their kids to class because I work at the YMCA. Most recently a pack of boys with baskeballs that wouldn't stop moving around and ribbling entered my class with their mom. Grrrrrrrr!
    My criteria for children in the classroom is:
    They must take the class.
    They have to take the whole class.
    There can be no talking or complaining unless they need to ask teacher a question. Then they can raise their hands.
    No running and no in and outs of the studio unless for a bathroom break.
    No making fun of other students.
    I make this known right off the bat. Plus all the other students in the room need to be ok with kids in the class that are under 12.
    A child running or complaining can really piss students off. I had one little girl who would stand in front, refuse to dance, and play with her hip scarf knot. Then she would cry when it fell off. Her mom didn't seem to understand this was annoying. So I took the kid aside and basically told her it was not ok.
    It is your teacher's responsibility to make the classroom a place of learning. She must tell the kid to get out even if it means losing the mom as a student. Since it seems your teacher won't tell this mom what's up you need to flat out say " you will lose me as a student because of this kid and I will be sure to spread the word that you are not in charge of this classroom." That will get her attention. Don't talk to the mom cause she is obviously clueless.
    And if you have to go to a new teacher feel free to ask them right off the bat what their policy is on kids in the studio and for that matter husband/boyfriend lookey-loos. Another of my studio pet peeves!
    YOU are spening money on class and are obviously serious so you have a lot of power in this situation. I tend to be a hard liner on this subject. But don't we only have an hour - hour 1/2 class?!!!! Hardly enough time to learn let alone babysit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Check this, from the same series: YouTube - Commentary on mom bellydancing
    LMAO!
    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    And what kind of dance was that???
    "This is a stupid dance... and the mean lady is telling the ladies to smile and it's just horrible... that's what I think of this song"."

    He has got a point...

    Yet another reason - NO KIDS IN CLASS.

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    Since it seems your teacher won't tell this mom what's up you need to flat out say " you will lose me as a student because of this kid and I will be sure to spread the word that you are not in charge of this classroom." That will get her attention.
    I was pretty much with you, eshta, until you got to the threat about spreading the word. It is one thing to say, "I will quit if this condition is not improved." It is another all together to make threats to damage a teacher's reputation if she doesn't run her class the way a student sees fit- that could be construed as blackmail.

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    well naturally I wouldn't support or suggest blackmail - that is a pretty ridiculous leap to make. I am just saying that students chit chat and if someone asked the student if she would recommend the teacher one of things on her mind might be the bad classroom environment. My students study with lots of teachers and I encourage them to and sometimes I hear about bad classroom etiquette from my students. There are a few teachers my students won't go to because XYZ was going on the classroom. So I try to be very conscious of how this small community works and the teacher should already understand that it can damage their student base if they don't maintain a good class. Just like it gets around if a teacher makes fun of students or says inappropriate things in class. There are lots of threads on here where students are complaining about their teachers. But very few instances where the teacher was unwilling to adjust or listen to the student. So I guess a better thing so say would be that many of the students agree and have discussed between themselves and feel that it needs to change.
    No one is suggesting spreading bad stuff around about each other but also thinking the belly dance community isn't ridiculously gossipy is pretty naive. JMO.

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    Yes students talk among themselves about what they like and don't like about their teachers, and most teachers are aware that disgruntled students will complain to others. That is very different from advocating a student confront her teacher with the statement

    "I will be sure to spread the word that you are not in charge of this classroom."
    That is a direct threat to damage a teacher's reputation if the teacher does not agree to a demand, however reasonable the demand may be. The definition of blackmail is "anything extorted by means of threats of exposure or danger." Not such a ridiculous leap at all.

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    as I said - blackmail is not what I was suggesting but obviously you have very strong feelings about this and really believe that was what I was intending so I will no longer reply to this thread. But I do have a tremendous amount of experience when it comes to this problem in the classroom.

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    Eshta, do you think I am mounting a personal attack on you as a teacher or as a human being because I question some advice you offered? Please don't.

    I agree with what you wrote about dealing with kids in the classroom with the exception of advising students to tell the teacher they will "spread the word" that the teacher can't control her class. I am not saying you personally intended to advocate blackmail, only that a threat to "tell" could be construed as blackmail.

    I have been teaching in one discipline or another since 1977, and I have occasionally had a disgruntled student who wanted me to give them an undeserved A, write easier exams, ignore poor preparation for class, accept poor writing for publication, or banish someone from my classroom who the student perceived, rightfully or wrongfully, as being a problem.

    I am willing to address a student's concerns; that is part of my job. Allowing myself to be intimidated is not. If a student approached me and said, "I'll quit and tell everyone you have no control of your classroom if you don't get rid of this person", I'd smile politely, escort the threatening student to the front desk and ask that their pro-rated tuition be returned to them.

    If the very same student approached me and said, "Classmate X (or her child) is about to drive me and half your other students up the wall; can you do something?" I'd take a good look at a situation that I had apparently underestimated or missed.

    I don't mind having a problem pointed out. I do mind being threatened.
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    The video Moon posted was hilarious! I have to agree with the kid though, it was not the most entertaining of dancing. I like how he shook the camera and he cammed down to her feet! lol

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