Ali Khalih , Marcio Mansoor & Tarik(not Sultan)

[Aisha Azar]

Dance, etc.

Dear Pirika,

When you are not expect to something happen, then some good things happen, people react screaming. I mean not only man or woman take off cloths or something, but anything. For instance, in quiz show a host/hostess announce price with dramatic drum sound and open the curtain, then see brand new car! Of cause people screaming and this is natural human reaction. If some unexpected things happen people react this way. [/QUOTE

What, exactly did you see as unexpected here? They had clothes on under their bisht. I don;t see what was so special about that. And yes, you are correct taht we ARE being trained to oever react to any kind fo stimulus!

When I see this video I thought it’s good dance because of they were male dancers? NO. If this video is all female do the same way, I feel the same. Now a lot of dance competition shows n TV, and I enjoy to watch them. However, when I see “America’s Best Dance Crew” on MTV, I cheer more minority group which mean all female, all Asians, mix of male, female, and mixed race group, because they are minority for Hip-Hop dance, and I want to see all different kinds of people dance for any form of dances. Don’t get me wrong, if dancers are sucks, I don’t cheer them, and I don’t say they are good because they are minority or some other reasons.

Why do you cheer more for the minority group? Gender, race, color, creed all have nothing to do with talent in the long run.

No offense to anybody, but I see many dancers who perform on stage, at the restaurants, or clubs are sometimes not that good. But I’m pretty sure they feel they are good! I think who is good or who is not that good is many times audience to decide. Like I said before, my girl friend believes Nourhan is the best dancer in the world for her! But I’m not crazy about Nourhan. Yes, she is great dancer, but not my type of dancer. The same thing for other dancers, who is good and who is not, or who is threatening or other things are sometimes audience to decide not dancers.

Yes, there are a lot of bad dancers out there. I happen to like Nourhan's dancing, but for me she is also not the best dancer in the world. I am not even sure there IS a best dancer in the world. I will say that some students develop a sort of hero worship for their instructors. I try to teach my own sutdents to think of me the same way they would any other kind of teacher, and to realize that I am one among many who can further their education. Students need to keep their eyes on the prize, which is to become the best dancer they can be and to learn from all who offer something good.

I never feel threatened by male dancers, and I never feel male dancers get special treatment or attention than female dancers in Oriental Dance. I rather respect male Oriental dancers and I want to see more male dancers to break stupid stereo type of Oriental Dance is only for women.

I never feel threatened by male dancers on a personal level either, but I DO feel that the dance is threatened when we give them special treatment just because they are males, and this is beginning to happen worse than ever before as more men come on the scene. This video is typical. If it had been females, we would all wonder what they were trying to accomplish and I think that many, many people on this forum know this is true, whether or not they will admit it. I respect no dancer just because of their gender, and have no less respect for good male dancers than I do good female dancers. You are new here and have no way of knowing how much time and effort I have invested in the past, in supporting male dancers.

Regards,
A'isha

 

[Mark_Balahadia]

I found the following dance to be pretty bizzare if not completely inaccurate since they are using dabke-esque movements for Leylet Hob, which is a belly dance song. I would have liked to see them use dabke movements with actually debke music, like dalaouna or even some of the newer pop dabke stuff.

Just the music choice alone ruins it for me.

 

[chryssanthi sahar]

Thanks Chryssanthi. Its my pleasure.Would love to chat with you on the phone. let me know when can I call you.
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You can call me anytime in the early morning hours in Germany (you know I am a creature of the night:lol. I'll be home until the 24th of July, then I'm going to London from the 25th to 29th, then back home and then to Greece from the 10th of August to the 3rd of September. So either try to call me this or next week, or at the beginning of August, before I leave from Greece. I'll be really glad to chat with you

 

[Maria_Aya]

I also felt confussed with this video.
One part of me liked that the dancers wasnt dancing like women, and another part was like: Errrrr this is Leylat Hob !!! and they are doing dabke/ballet and wearing kind of Dabke costumes??
No I didnt enjoyed it, if I was there, probably would be the choreo to sneak out for a smoke (dont spank me now lol)

Maria Aya

 

[Tarik Sultan]

Dear Dipali,

The issue in this tape is that men are receiving special treatment at these events and I really do not see how anyone can deny that, and AND that we expect women to define and clarify what they are doing on stage, but apparently if one is a man, then they are not expected to do the same. These are relevant issues.
Regards,
A'isha

The thing is, this was a video clip of one dance not the whole show. We were not in the audience. If we were, I'm sure there was either a program or an announcement to explain what was being done. Either that or this group performs in the dance community often enough that people know exactly what their intent is. We can't watch a video clip and just because the person didn't give an adequate explanation, assume the worse. Most people put their clips up on youtube for fun and to share, not to educate. So for us with a scholarly mind, given to research, yes, it can be frustrating, but, we are not exactly the average Joe, even in our dance community.

 

[Tarik Sultan]

I found the following dance to be pretty bizzare if not completely inaccurate since they are using dabke-esque movements for Leylet Hob, which is a belly dance song. I would have liked to see them use dabke movements with actually debke music, like dalaouna or even some of the newer pop dabke stuff.

Just the music choice alone ruins it for me.

It was strange because it was neither fish nor fowl. There was nothing tasteless about it, but movement and music just didn't match up. They should have either used a different piece of music, (because what they were doing just didn't express all the nuances of the music), or a more suitable movement vocabulary. But like I said, if we had actually been there, I'm sure we would have gotten an explanation. It could have been an experiment. Sometimes it works and sometimes..... noooot quite.

 

[Tarik Sultan]

The Sacred Male

Dear dance community:

Although I quoted A'isha this is directed more at you. Since she doesn't read my posts, (yeah right), since our falling out. Just as well, I said what I said and in the context of what was said I stand by it. However, it does concern me that some may start to feel that there is some sort of threat. So I'll just say my 2 cents and be done with this topic for good.

I never feel threatened by male dancers on a personal level either, but I DO feel that the dance is threatened when we give them special treatment just because they are males, and this is beginning to happen worse than ever before as more men come on the scene. This video is typical. If it had been females, we would all wonder what they were trying to accomplish and I think that many, many people on this forum know this is true, whether or not they will admit it. I respect no dancer just because of their gender, and have no less respect for good male dancers than I do good female dancers. You are new here and have no way of knowing how much time and effort I have invested in the past, in supporting male dancers.

Regards,
A'isha

As usual, it's not that I think she is wrong. She has a point to a certain degree which many male dancers I know, (those of us who are serious) have expressed. It's just that the situation is more complex and her point of view is only one facet of a larger issue.

He concern is that men are receiving more attention, than they deserve, just because they are men. This is not the case all across the board, but in certain contexts and context is everything.

Many of us have been around long enough to know that there are a lot of women out there who get a lot of undeserved male attention as dancers for no other reason than because they are young and cute. They get showered with money and compliments and we all wonder why. We've discussed this type of thing with shows like BDSS when we see dancers who are not that skilled and we wonder what are they doing in such a show. Nevertheless, because they are in BDSS there are people who just go gaga over them and even start trying to copy them.

We have all encountered the chickletts with a cup size greater than their talent. They have guys telling them how beautiful they are, how talented they are, we even hear them telling them, "oh, you're the best dancer I've ever seen". and we all know it goes straight to their heads. They think they are the greatest thing since the coming of christ and you can't tell them any different let alone suggest they take a class to find out how to hit a beat.

So why do we expect that things are going to be any different when guys get into the field? There's going to be the same degree of horse **it because that's the way the world is.

I consider myself a descent dancer, but I know if some guy came into the club with a six pack and muscles and could kind of move, all the women would be screaming and carrying on. Because he's a good dancer, or because they think he's a good dancer? No, just because he's eye candy and that's it. So were the women in that audience cheering because they thought the guys were such great dancers? I doubt it. It could be just because they thought they were cute. They see all women at these things all the time and now they get to see a cute guy.

If there's anything that is a threat to the dance its nightclub owners who hire girls who are not professionals and have no skill. They dance cheaper than less experienced dancers, which means qualified dancers lose jobs to them and they drive down the pay scale making it harder for a real dancer to support herself from dance. Worse of all, the general public is shown some real amateurish garbage and comes away thinking that is what we are all about. My teacher Morocco got into the dance accidentally because at that time clubs would hire ANY woman who would put on a costume. The good thing was she had a dance background and knew she was lacking. Rather than believe the hype she was getting "your so good" etc. She actively sought to improve her skill and LEARN. Then went on to travel the Middle East to see first hand. How many of these instant wonders today have that mind set? Maybe 1 in 100.

As for the seminar circuit. Well I'm still waiting to cash in on my undeserved advantages for being a male. As with everything else, marketing has a lot to do with it. Those who have good p.r, get more work and this goes for men and women. I would be working a whole lot more if I were willing to take the B.S route than being legit. I don't teach gimiks or fantasy hype, nor the 10 thing you need to do to be a better belly dancer. What I do is real, its challenging and requires dedication. Many people just want to wear something pretty and dance in a hafla and we have all encountered this mentality. These are the real dangers to the dance.

So in the short run, the girls may hoot and holler because of the novelty, but in the long run, if they have no substance, the excitement wears off quickly, especially in the community of dancers. Don't get it twisted, if a guy is not good as a teacher, the word spreads quickly and those of us who want quality will know. He will be dead in the water before no time.

So what does that leave us with, hero worship? There's a certain percentage of the population who are susceptible to a certain cultish mentality. We already know female teachers who have that kind of hold over their students and actively manipulate that to their benefit. That's just life. So why should anyone be surprised if the same thing happens with a guy? Not saying its right or excusing it, just, why be surprised? The world is what it is. I've seen this and been complaining about it for years. And if the guy is of Middle Eastern birth or origin, then its worse, because he could not know the difference between his ass and an orange but people will flock to him because they assume he's authentic. So its a combination of wanting male attention and the assumption of getting an authentic touch.

I think it is right that we examine and discuss these situations, but put it in proper context. In the end its not a male problem, its a general b.s. problem that many people, regardless of gender are perpetuating and feeding into. Its all related.

 

[Pirika Repun]

What is real threat?

Tarik’s quote:
Many people just want to wear something pretty and dance in a hafla and we have all encountered this mentality. These are the real dangers to the dance.

Yes! I agree. One of my girl friends who is also dancer said “Who want to see female dancer over 40, 50, 60 and wear two piece costume with wrinkle body? Women over 40 have to cover their body and dance! Or they shouldn't perform at all!” She is in 30s and still young, beautiful, and attractive woman. Many guys come up to her when she is on the street, or club. Anyway, my point is women have sexism attitude is threatening this dance as well. Many dancers want to wear sexy and beautiful costume than their skills! Yeah, many of them have body but where is techniques, rhythms, skills and respect for the dance and culture? I saw many young, beautiful, and skinny dancers wear beautiful costumes and perform, but not many of them have skills. They are just young and cute. I thought this dance is one of the dances who can dance even you hit to 40,50,60 even 70. I respect Morocco because she still active for teaching and performing. I never take her class, so I can’t say anything about her, and I’m sure Tarik knows her more than anybody, so I just say I respect her for still dancing.

I know many dancers want to perform at restaurant, club or stage just after they start taking classes for year or so. I know one young lady who has taking BD class for about 3 years, and has no dance background. She has been performing many times with her teacher, because she is one of her teachers’ favorite. So, she thinks she can be professional dancer pretty soon, but she has long way to go. However, she doesn’t think so, because her teacher always tells her how good she is. The point is this teacher doesn’t teach her anything! She has no rhythm, basic technique, and skills. This is another thread. This teacher has over 20 years of teaching and performance carrier, but doesn’t know how to teach! I think this is more dangerous than male dancers got attention.

 

[Ali Khalih]

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Thank you so much! Sorry, I DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH WELL! But first let me introduce myself: ALI KHALIH.
Dancer, choreographer and teacher, parent and pioneer in the following forms of Arabic dance in Brazil: Sword with fire, cover wings, cups and range of fire-veil.
In addition to their specialties ranging: from classical to modern Arabic and mergers of Arabs dancing together the other dances, especialisado also in Arabic gypsy fusion (due to their training), cover and veil wings, sword, fire dance arabic (cups and flaming sword ) and Arab folk dances such as the dabke, saiid, khalige and rahksa (dance couples).
Manages and runs, shows, classes and workshops throughout Brazil and is the first Brazilian dancer recognized in Europe (Germany), where, 2 times each year holds concerts, classes and workshops at colleges, restaurants and theaters.
Have availability for shows, workshops throughout Brazil and other countries and is presented with fixed scale: bars and restaurants in the Arab city of São Paulo-SP-Brazil. And on the criticism, just FICO Abysses With such lack of information! THIS IS MY ONLY ANSWER! M sorry for IGNORANCIA!

 

[Ali Khalih]

Zambra .slideshow de ali khalih.

YouTube - ALI KHALIH (Photo Slide Show).

 

[Ali Khalih]

YouTube - ALI KHALIH (Photo Slide Show).

YouTube - ALI KHALIH (Photo Slide Show).

 

[Ali Khalih]

i also felt confussed with this video.
One part of me liked that the dancers wasnt dancing like women, and another part was like: Errrrr this is leylat hob !!! And they are doing dabke/ballet and wearing kind of dabke costumes??
No i didnt enjoyed it, if i was there, probably would be the choreo to sneak out for a smoke (dont spank me now lol)

maria aya

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[Ali Khalih]

Questions?

Forgive my English! But I am appalled by the confusion and AS QUESTIONS OF A SIMPLE VIDEO WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN A Classical MOSTRÁVAMOS THE INFLUENCE AND A LITTLE OF STYLES OF DANCE MALE ARAB, I like to answer any questions, but are very And I am not so FREE TIME, IF AGUÉM are interested send me Can RESPOND TO QUESTIONS AND FEW BY E-MAIL: alikhalih@hotmail.com My web site is: Is a great pleasure www.bailarinoarabe.com.br resolve any questions! Success to all!

 

[Lydia]

Hi Ali...i think you are doing a great job!!! you are very much ,,in,, to what you are doing...you care about your dancing,i can see that you have so much passion for your dancing...you are a great entertainer...in my eyes that is what it is about...dance, entertain make people happy ..and that is exacly what you are doing...you can never make all the world happy,but that is ok some people like red some people like green....Then you have people that only like black or white and that is what makes the world boring ...i hope you will dance untill you are very very old!! i am sure you will make many people very happy between now and then...please dont be upset about negative words from people, it wil take away your energy to dance...i hope i will meet you 1 day... it will be my plessure to talk about this passion with you ...you are a treu treu artist !!!!!!

 

[Ali Khalih]

Hi Ali...i think you are doing a great job!!! you are very much ,,in,, to what you are doing...you care about your dancing,i can see that you have so much passion for your dancing...you are a great entertainer...in my eyes that is what it is about...dance, entertain make people happy ..and that is exacly what you are doing...you can never make all the world happy,but that is ok some people like red some people like green....Then you have people that only like black or white and that is what makes the world boring ...i hope you will dance untill you are very very old!! i am sure you will make many people very happy between now and then...please dont be upset about negative words from people, it wil take away your energy to dance...i hope i will meet you 1 day... it will be my plessure to talk about this passion with you ...you are a treu treu artist !!!!!!

Habib Thanks! I worry about these minor comments, but I was astonished because there is so much ignorance and lack of knowledge around the world! I also hope one day meet you and dance together! much success to you and thanks for the message! A big hug!

 

[Lydia]

you are very very welcome!!! i know it is upsetting when you read those negative things...i am the same when i read sometimes what people write ,i feel what that person will feel....i learn 1 thing most people that write negative comments about other artist,they are not realy treu artist....treu artist know how much work it is to produce a good show to be respected as a artist,all the hard work that go,s in all the practise,sleepless nights to make sure it is all ok for next day performance..make costumes,pick music,rehearsels,traveling, give it your everything,dont see your loved ones,be on stage with christmas,your mother birthday,children birthday,newyears eve...and all those days ,we are up and running to entertain and make people happy...and then you get people sitting on a computer in their cozy home critisizing the treu artist...it is to big ,or to small,wrong color or size.....pffffffffffffffffffff...it is upsetting and sometime,s hartbreaking and give you sleepless nights...in the end of the day us entertainers we are up there to ,,try,, to make people happy,not to make people upset...also when Dipaly posted your videoclip he wrote,,enjoy,,he did not ask what do you think is he any good????? why can people not sit and enjoy??why always somebody has to be a partypooper??i am sure it will not make them happy??or do,s it why always post bad comments?? Ali is new to this forum,i think he is a good artist perhaps he will be upset about the silly comments and never comes back to visit the forum ...that means we last !!!!how many dancers already left because unfriendly post??