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    Default Abdominal Muscles - Does it adversely affect belly dancing?

    One of my fellow belly dancing enthusiasts said that having very firm ab muscles can restrict the smooth flow and adversely affects the grace and fluidity of belly dancing movements like undulations, belly rolls, etc. Is this true?

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    What do you thnk you use to do bellyrolls etc!!

    if you don't have a certain amount of fat over the muscles - eg if you train too hard and are too thin for your weight it doesn't show as much, but otherwis you will develop these muscles in bellydance

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    Firm muscles are not necessarily the same thing as tight muscles. Tight muscles can adversely affect stomach work. Muscles that are nicely toned and exercised are an asset. My abdominal undulations were definitely impacted by surgery that required the muscles to be cut and restitched. I never have regained my original flexibility in a distinct band just below the belly button though practice has improved it somewhat.

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    It is natural to have fat over muscles, it is what keeps them warm and ready for use. Tight muscles say to me, unrelaxed, perhaps relaxing will unwind tight muscles.

    Thinking about it, a person with a body of well defined tight muscles must be like an insect with an exoskeleton of armour.

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    Default Belly roll

    the video talks for me
    YouTube - New Sideways Belly Roll!!!




    some ppl do like to think that fat will help them. Look at that guy and look at rachel brice s tummy. its muscle memory , strength and flexibility .

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    Default Belly roll

    Quote Originally Posted by jenc View Post
    What do you thnk you use to do bellyrolls etc!!

    if you don't have a certain amount of fat over the muscles - eg if you train too hard and are too thin for your weight it doesn't show as much, but otherwis you will develop these muscles in bellydance

    Maybe its not with everyone. I mean i got a normal girls tummy but my boyfriend trains alot and he has a really nice flat tummy with well formed muscles...and he can roll his belly. i thought him how to roll it and it shows alot
    And here is a guy who has very toned muscles and can belly roll great
    YouTube - New Sideways Belly Roll!!!

    rachel brice has a very thin body and can belly roll so well.
    who really wants to belly roll well will do it in any body i think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemocion Malta View Post
    I got stomach cramp just watching that !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemocion Malta View Post
    the video talks for me
    YouTube - New Sideways Belly Roll!!!




    some ppl do like to think that fat will help them. Look at that guy and look at rachel brice s tummy. its muscle memory , strength and flexibility .
    that's actually a yoga move....(not even "new".... & not even sideways... if you notice... his movement is coming from his rib cage slide.... not his belly) to see a belly dancer.. look up Delilah.... or better yet.... is it Fatiem (Fateim???/fatima???) in southern CA..... her belly work is PHENOMENAL ....

    surely someone out there knows of whom I speak & can link us up!!...

    however you are correct... it IS all muscle= memory/strength/ flexibility... and no fat will not "help".... but to a degree, it does not hurt either....(a nice "layer" on top... like icing on a cake.. if you will)

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    I once saw one of those lame world's strongest man type competitions as just something to watch on tv. There was a guy that was well ripped with muscles, all on the surface with no fat. There were also men who were just big, their muscles not apparent, I just thought slobs. How interesting it was when the slobs beat the well defined guys, thus indicating the undefined muscle men did have it, but it was covered with a healthy layer of fat. The reason they beat the defined guys was because the defined guys muscles tired too quickly, they got cramp and had to quit.

    When I saw I like fat over muscles, as is natural, then a thin layer as protection, not a spare tyre. Someone who is fit and well, they may have a thin layer of fat, but their body shape indicates they are fit and well, their posture and movement.

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    Tight muscles are about the length and strength of the muscle not the overlay of fatty tissue - tight muscles will make it reasonably difficult to stretch in the opposite direction. So what we're aiming for are muscles that are of middling length, good strength and excellent control. Whatever movements we practice a lot (and remember that most girls are taught to 'hold your tummies in' which makes even diaphragmatic breathing difficult!) will shorten and strengthen muscles. We need to be able to both shorten and tighten our muscles AND lengthen and relax our muscles in order to do good belly rolls and flutters. And a layer of fat over the top won't change the actual muscle use but it might disguise when and how we are using our muscles, and make the movements more or less visible.

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