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    Quote Originally Posted by masrawy View Post
    where the heck is Isalmaniya try to google that my friend .... do they have gloats??
    I read "Do they have goats" Wow, I need some sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masrawy View Post
    no thanks I have two all the time with me ... I never leave home without them ... what kind of a place is that ?? do they have Shisha?
    It's a big Ahwa. Of course they have shisha. Don't you know every Egyptian is born with one! They also have food if you want to eat. Its not the Ritz, but hey, what do you expect in an ahwa? Nobody's died yet... at least not from the food, can't swear about the shisha!

    I'll introduce you to my friends.... The visible ones....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarik Sultan View Post
    Kennedy Blvd. Its right where Kennedy turns off from Bergen. Its the building that wraps around the corner. Its down from the old Lowes movie theatre. The entrance is right beside Mac Donald's. Go up the stairs on the second floor and your in little Egypt. Should I send one of my invisible friends to show you the way?

    How many times I have to knock on the door , what's the secret word for tonight to let you in??
    What time approximately you will be there ...

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    My inner e-stalker can't resist going and looking it up on Google Earth whenever anyone mentions street names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masrawy View Post

    How many times I have to knock on the door , what's the secret word for tonight to let you in??
    What time approximately you will be there ...
    No pass word or secret knock. You just have to let the blind guy feel your boobies. But if you get there around 12:00 you might be able to slip pass him when he goes to the bathroom

    I'll be the most Egyptian looking guy in the place.

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    Gorgeous for sharing the wide knowledge and clear example of Zar ... What about the sacrifice in your Zar nights experiences? Was it rooster or chicken? Which type of Jin you have and which rhythm the called you normally from your seat to join the in the liela?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aisha Azar View Post
    Dear Mya and Sita,
    I am so sorry that it took me so long to get back to this. I have been working night and day on getting these huge Nejdi style dresses built for a performance on Saturday and it just did not leave much time for anything else..... like combing my hair for example... I hope to do that today, too!! ( Mahmoud, if you are reading this, they are FINALLY done!! Well, three of them... I will put the other dancer in a regular Hindi style thobe with 4 other dancers.)
    If you can get hold of the March 2005 issue of "Egypt Today" there is an excellent article on Zarr. The author is Manal El-Jesri, the article discusses the origins of Zarr according to Zar musicians who are some of the few remaining in Egypt now. They say Zarr was originally for a small circle of people to communicate with spirits and that it is one of the "few healing ceremonies performed mainly by women and for women in an attempt to pacify the spirits and win some measure of inner harmony". The music originated in Africa and is poly-rhythmic and has a very different tradition than most Egyptian music. Participants often experience not only catharsis but often altered states of consciousness. ( I know I did!!). In 2005 there were only 24 Zar performers left in Egypt, not counting some types of Zar that are more like Sufi trance dance.

    Here are some Zar related terms:
    Hadra- the place where the Zar occurs, usually someone's house.
    Sangaa- Male Zar leader
    Leila- Night, which is what a zar performance is called.

    According to the people interviewed for the article, the Mazaher group of musicians, the Zarr is requested by the family of a woman is "not feeling well", but never to cause conception,which can only happen at the will of God. "It is mostly people with psychological problems who come to us."
    People also come to Zarrs to be entertained, it seems.


    This is from a friend of mine who is from Alexandria and Coptic: Her uncle is a Coptic priest and when she was a child of nine years old, she witnessed him performing a Zar with a woman who was possessed and she thought the event was very creepy. The woman "talked in a man's voice", which seems to be a sign of demon possession in the Middle East, this seems to have been a different kind of Zar from he usual more communal event that is described above, and there seems to have been cause to believe that this woman was not just "married to a Djinn", but that some other kind of possession had taken place with a seriously evil entity to be driven out. In usual cases, the Djninn does not seem THAT nasty and it is with the woman always, and just acts up now and again. My friend said that this Zarr involved her uncle doing a lot of praying and the woman acting very bizarre.
    About the woman talking in a man's voice thing. The same night I was talking with my Alexandrian friend about Zarr, a friend from Saudi Arabia was there and she mentioned that when her class was taking exams at university, a woman in the class room started talking in a man's voice and they made everyone else leave the room. She does not know what happened after that.

    This is info from several people, but Sahra Kent contributed to it also and I want to give her credit since I remember the conversation with her very vividly. We were both very into studying Zarr at the time. This is just sort of a typical scenario and it is how I explain Zarr to my students:

    Fatmeh is newly married and she lives in the countryside in Egypt. She lives with her new husband's family, including his mother, father, brother and wife and three children and two unmarried sisters. Fatmeh finds that she is at everyone's beck and call, helping with the children, the cooking, the cleaning, working in the garden, taking care of the chickens, etc. She is 17 years old and does not think much of this life of her's. She goes along for a time and resentment builds because she is tired of doing so much work with so little reward. One day she just snaps and has a huge temper tantrum and lets everyone know just how she feels. when she stalks out of the house, the family all look at each other and think, "Ooooh, Fatmeh has a djinn!" It's time for a Zarr. Other people who are having problems with their family members will also attend a Zarr and the musicians and leaders are called and arrangements made.
    The event is social as well as functional and music is played and socializing is done. The people who are afflicted with an active and ornery djinn get up and start moving around in rather jerky movements, This will go on all night and in some cases, they get totally exhausted and the movements become more and more violent and eventually they fall on the floor, worn out. This is the time when someone will approach Fatmeh and her fellow sufferers in hopes of finding out what it is their djinns want. Mostly they seem to want things like new shoes or a dress, and the family will take pains to get it for them, in order to appease the djinn. Everything will go back to normal for some time after this. From a sociological point of view, this seems to be a great way to relieve pressure in the community and especially in the family. It also allows people to act out without having to take any blame or place any blame on a familial situation that has no solution.

    I am afraid this may be getting too long ,so I am going to post and continue later with my own experiences with Zarr.
    Regards,
    A'isha


    Gorgeous for sharing the wide knowledge and clear example of Zar ... What about the sacrifice in your Zar nights experiences? Was it rooster or chicken? Which type of Jin you have and which rhythm the called you normally from your seat to join the in the liela?

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    mmm. I've known a few dancers who have been to traditional zars; a few of them had out of body experiences or passed out. A zar is a really intense experience, it's meditative and then there's the fact that at traditional zars the room in full of smoke from burning frankincense and myrh, which is hallucinogenic...
    I say use the head rolls and let the traditional dance inspire you, but don't call your performance "zar". A zar is a zar. Head rolls do not a zar make. It's kind of like, a burlesque dancer can do a bellydance inspired performance, but rad though it may be, she can't call it bellydance. Bellydancers can do zar inspired performances, but we can't call them zar.

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