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    Is he from alexandria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenc View Post
    I think that what was promised was that vid of Khaled teaching would not be posted on YouTybe - which i think is fair enough. I have seen enough rip offs on there to last me a lfetime. you can watch complete copyrighted dvds (albeit in several sections)


    Dear Jenc,
    If this is what he asked, this seems reasonable to me. If, on the other hand, he asked her not to share what she learned from him ever, on the net or otherwise, then that is not reasonable as we all would then have nothing to share if everyone followed this policy. I go to workshops to further my own education, as both a performer and instructor. I teach people things that I have learned from various instructors or videos and I tell people where I learned the stuff that is complex o more than fundamental.
    Nothing makes me madder than to go to a teacher who teaches a choreography that you PAY to learn and then have that instructor tell you that you can't use it!!! My opinion is that if students paid for it, they bought it and it is their's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aisha Azar View Post
    Nothing makes me madder than to go to a teacher who teaches a choreography that you PAY to learn and then have that instructor tell you that you can't use it!!! My opinion is that if students paid for it, they bought it and it is their's
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    Yes but I hope they credit the teacher - I get mad when I see a choreogaphy that has been copied from a workshop I have been to and the teacher hasn't been credited despite the opportunity to do so - it works both ways !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshta View Post
    Yes but I hope they credit the teacher - I get mad when I see a choreogaphy that has been copied from a workshop I have been to and the teacher hasn't been credited despite the opportunity to do so - it works both ways !

    Dear Eshta,
    I know that here in the States, most groups tend to be pretty good about that. I have been to shows where people have credited me and usually it feels pretty nice! Very occasionally the dancers have rather screwed it up and made me feel like crawling under the table. Then, there is the occasional situation where people will actually improve on a choreography. I had this happen with our own Marya and her dance partner once, where they changed a few movements and I thought it made the dance better!! My dance company does not tend to use choreographies by other people. However, we do occasionally use folk dances that have pretty set patterns, such as one Palestinian Debke that we perform.

    But, back to the subject of Khaled. I am wondering if he teaches choreographies and let people use them as they will or what. I was not sure from the post by the dancer said that he asked her not to put his dance on the net.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizaj View Post
    As a teacher there is no one better. He is kind but demanding. I was very distracted at JoY by all kinds of personal problems and he spotted in a big class that I was not getting something simple and charged over and stayed with me 'til I got it right. "I know you, you can do this!" Hell he must have been so exasperated but he left me with a smile. A lesser teacher would have just let me get on with it.
    His technique is lovely, crisp and if a lot little showy, so what..he is an entertainer and I can forgive the talented the me me me on the stage. But he can be very generous to other dancer. I saw him stand back and allow others to shine at the Yorkshire Egytptian Moonlight.
    But he isn't for everyone and give me the choice of watching Randa or Djamilla and I am more content. I can't justify it, I am just more at home with a more laid back dancer. That doesn't detract from the fact that others are blown away by him.
    There is nothing whatsoever Divaish in his behaviour off stage except that he is a showy dresser and does appreciate the adulation..who doesn't? he is sensitive and intelligent and has done so much for the dancers in this country to inject a lot more Egypt into us.We have a lot to be grateful to him for and I am not quite sure what JoY would be like without him, Mandy!!!
    As for the costume, it was a lot better than some others I have seen him wear. Toned down in shape and applique, I thought he looked good although the one I like best is the bronze coloured one he wore last time. I will seek out a photo.
    And he was the dancer who finally made the penny drop with me..if a man wants to get on stage to perform oriental dance instead of just teaching or choreographing...why not!


    Khaled always shines at Joy. I will always be ever grateful to him for coming to the jewel of Yorkshire, He always says it is like coming home to my family when he comes to JoY- Does this sound like a Diva?
    Most people are surprised by his teaching & dancing. See him live & you are glued - what a fantastic dance & showman.

    I do have to say the video makes him look bigger than he is.

    I made the costume & I am sorry some people did not like it but I do it is not too OTT.I think it is the thing of a man in a 2 piece costume. To be honest I still think Khaled looks best in a White Galabaya & I have told Khaled this but he needs 2 piece costumes for his oriental performances.
    Most Egyptian like sparkle & colour

    So I will ask the question what should Khaled wear? He will not wear a Galabaya for dance oriental.

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    I made the costume & I am sorry some people did not like it but I do it is not too OTT.I think it is the thing of a man in a 2 piece costume. To be honest I still think Khaled looks best in a White Galabaya & I have told Khaled this but he needs 2 piece costumes for his oriental performances.
    Most Egyptian like sparkle & colour

    So I will ask the question what should Khaled wear? He will not wear a Galabaya for dance oriental.


    My 2 cents. I saw Khalid live in Cairo and he was very dynamic and charismatic on stage. Not in the same way as Tito, but wouldn't it be horrible if everyone were the same? The great thing about this dance is the opportunity to experience totally different personalities on stage.

    He was very regal and dignified, but I will say, that I've never seen a clip on youtube that I feel does him justice. He is a phenomenal dancer and anyone who knows me knows I don't say things like that lightly.

    Knowing him personally, he never gave me diva or over blown ego vibes...... I've met other people who I could definitely say that about...... not mentioning any names......

    By biggest sticking point with him are his costumes! Like you, I feel he looks best in a galabeya. I saw him way before I ever saw or knew about Tito. It made me want to wear one because he looked so dignified in it.

    What should he wear? Okay, here's the thing. His arms are not muscular or even toned. They're very thin. Unfortunately, the rest of his body isn't in proportion. He's not fat, but he does have a paunch. I think what would look best on him is something with sleeves, not too wide and flowing and definitely no veils hanging from them. Nothing off the shoulder, doesn't flatter his shape and draws attention to his weak points.

    I would advise him to tone up his body, especially his arms and his mid section. Two pieces would then look much better on him. A one-piece top would look great on him if the design were innovative. It doesn't have to be all the same color. The upper body could be one color and the mid section a different color. I guess the pants are okay. Unlike myself, he has the legs to fill them out, as longs as its not too tight. And not that I've ever seen him do this but just as a general for guys, NEVER EVER WEAR ANY SEE THROUGH PANTS, ESPECIALLY HAREM PANTS! Its just the kiss of death for any man. CHEESY! Looks great on women, horrible on men and I still can't figure out why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandyt View Post
    Khaled always shines at Joy. I will always be ever grateful to him for coming to the jewel of Yorkshire, He always says it is like coming home to my family when he comes to JoY- Does this sound like a Diva?
    Most people are surprised by his teaching & dancing. See him live & you are glued - what a fantastic dance & showman.

    I do have to say the video makes him look bigger than he is.

    I made the costume & I am sorry some people did not like it but I do it is not too OTT.I think it is the thing of a man in a 2 piece costume. To be honest I still think Khaled looks best in a White Galabaya & I have told Khaled this but he needs 2 piece costumes for his oriental performances.
    Most Egyptian like sparkle & colour

    So I will ask the question what should Khaled wear? He will not wear a Galabaya for dance oriental.
    It is not an easy job to balance a persons needs and tastes.

    I think your stuff generally looks OK on him.
    You dont make the trousers too tight and they seem less OTT than some of his other creations. The one in the Vid clip here (green one) is actually a very nice design. I personally like less neon, but that is my taste and not his.
    He is the one who is wearing the costumes and expressing himself.

    I dont know the answer really. There seems to be a real dliemma when it comes to mens costumes.

    I am not sure he need to show his belly? I think he just perhaps thinks he needs to?

    I think if anyone can get something right for him then it is you, because you have the right balance of understanding when designing.

    You just need to manipulate him around to your way of thinking a little more and leave some of the other designers alone for a while!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandyt View Post
    Khaled always shines at Joy. I will always be ever grateful to him for coming to the jewel of Yorkshire, He always says it is like coming home to my family when he comes to JoY- Does this sound like a Diva?
    Most people are surprised by his teaching & dancing. See him live & you are glued - what a fantastic dance & showman.

    I do have to say the video makes him look bigger than he is.

    I made the costume & I am sorry some people did not like it but I do it is not too OTT.I think it is the thing of a man in a 2 piece costume. To be honest I still think Khaled looks best in a White Galabaya & I have told Khaled this but he needs 2 piece costumes for his oriental performances.
    Most Egyptian like sparkle & colour

    So I will ask the question what should Khaled wear? He will not wear a Galabaya for dance oriental.

    Dear Mandy,
    I was not glued when I saw him dance live, nor am I impressed with his dance on video, but I agree that video is not the best medium for really studying a dancer. There is just something missing with Khaled, even in live performance. He may be a nice man and not a diva, but his dancing.... I don't know, maybe he has not been dancing long or something. There is a shallowness there.....

    Video puts 10 pounds on people automatically, but he is my male twin when it comes to body. We are both paunchy, and we both have to be sure to costume in order to try to camoflauge that. First, you might try richer colors with more depth, which will give him a more flattering skin tone as well as add intensity to his costumes. Neon and lighter colors tend to wash out under lights and reflect light in such a way as to look bigger, especially anything shiny. Second, it might make a difference to stay away from straight lines below the bust line and above the hip line. These tend to make the middle of the body look VERY distended and so in your face if the body is not pretty toned. In other words,maybe you could use some diagonal divides or add appliques to the garments above the garment's hip line in order to create a belt line that does not cut him straight across and the same with the crop top or whatever he is wearing. Also, give him garments that somehow create more coverage for his butt, which is kind of saggy looking or something.

    Too bad he won't wear things like a catsuit that would give some support to his middle section. This is one reason why I wear dresses most of the time now instead of two piece bra/belt looking things. I no longer weigh 130 pounds and do not have the body for it. Maybe someone could gently tell him this stuff.
    BTW, this is an observation when I go out shopping with my Arab girlfriends. I have noticed that often it has very little to do with how clothing looks ON them, but whether or not they LIKE the clothing, and whether or not they think its stylish. For example, some of them have very big, thick heavy calves, but they would not be caught dead in a long skirt. Others are barrely around the middle, but still insist on wearing very skin tight cocktail dresses to afternoon parties. It is as if it matters less how they LOOK in the dress than if they think the dress is pretty or fashionable. I think it is a different way to look at fashion than the usual western attitude of "does this look good on me?". I also know Arab girls with impeccable taste in the western sense, but often the idea and view of clothing seems a little different than the western view. Perhaps this is also true with Khaled. Whether I like his dancing or not, I would still love to see him in something really flattering on him. ( I think the same thing about Randa, whom I adore but would love to lock her costumer in a dark closet so she can't sew any of those hideous things she puts Randa in!!!!)
    Regards,
    A'isha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aisha Azar View Post
    Dear Jenc,
    If this is what he asked, this seems reasonable to me. If, on the other hand, he asked her not to share what she learned from him ever, on the net or otherwise, then that is not reasonable as we all would then have nothing to share if everyone followed this policy. I go to workshops to further my own education, as both a performer and instructor. I teach people things that I have learned from various instructors or videos and I tell people where I learned the stuff that is complex o more than fundamental.
    Nothing makes me madder than to go to a teacher who teaches a choreography that you PAY to learn and then have that instructor tell you that you can't use it!!! My opinion is that if students paid for it, they bought it and it is their's
    Regards,
    A'isha
    When I took a workshop from him he let us videotape (with him! most teachers doesn't even want to be on the tape) for our own use but he also asked us NOT to put it on YouTube. He didn't tell us not to teach or perform his choreo. I even took a workshop with Fereshteh teaching Khaled's choreography and she said never, ever to use it WITHOUT crediting him, sooo... he is fine with us using his choreos if we credit him.
    Hope that makes it clearer
    Gisela
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    Quote Originally Posted by gisela View Post
    When I took a workshop from him he let us videotape (with him! most teachers doesn't even want to be on the tape) for our own use but he also asked us NOT to put it on YouTube. He didn't tell us not to teach or perform his choreo. I even took a workshop with Fereshteh teaching Khaled's Choreography and she said never, ever to use it WITHOUT crediting him, sooo... he is fine with us using his choreos if we credit him.
    Hope that makes it clearer
    Gisela

    Dear Gisela,
    Yes, that makes sense. I also let people videotape me in class and just ask them not to sell the video or put it on the net, for purposes of legal protection. Depending, I sometimes ask the videographer to sign something saying they will not sell or broadcast because in the U.S., in the legal world, the copyright does belong to them and not me, which I do not feel comfortable with. I do not teach choreographies except rarely, so the problem is not a matter of crediting or not crediting in my case. I know that many teachers are very uptight about the video thing and while I can see why, I am usually more relaxed about that, especially in the case of the sponsor videoing, as long as I am covered on all counts legally. ( This can get quite complicated with music rights, video copyright, etc.)
    Regards,
    A'isha

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