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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniseteph View Post
    The tags were Spanish, the commentator spoke Spanish.... (Googles a bit...)

    OK, here you go. Bailando por un sueño (Argentina)

    Scroll down to Season 5 (Autumn 2008). It must have been Arab week.


    There is plenty on the web about Ms Guerrero, but I doubt there's much on her bellydance credentials.

    Guilty as charged, if you ask me...




    Dear Aniseteph,
    That would make sense. There was a less than Middle Eastern flavor about the dance for sure!! Thanks for pointing out that Spanish was the language on the video. I could not really watch the whole thing.
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    To be perfectly honest I don't think it really matters if it is belly dance or any other "dance" style, it is just plain vulgar and offensive, and by the way I am not a prude in any way shape or form. It just offended me to the core and made me feel ashamed to say I am a female.
    I see no problem with this type of performance on a adult channel late at night, but not what looks like family viewing.
    YUCK EWWWW!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribal Belly Dance Malta View Post
    To be perfectly honest I don't think it really matters if it is belly dance or any other "dance" style, it is just plain vulgar and offensive, and by the way I am not a prude in any way shape or form. It just offended me to the core and made me feel ashamed to say I am a female.
    I see no problem with this type of performance on a adult channel late at night, but not what looks like family viewing.
    YUCK EWWWW!!!!!

    Dear Tribal Belly Dance Malta,
    Well..... it matters very much to me if someone perceives this as belly dance, not only because it was vulgar, but because it is in no way connected with the culture or spirit of belly dance, and because the quality of the actual physical dance was just plain poor.
    Regards,
    A'isha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aisha Azar View Post
    ...I could not really watch the whole thing.
    Awww, A'isha, you might have missed all the good bits! (buuuuut, ya didn't. Smart move. )

    For the UKers (unless Sergeant-gate has gone global): John Sergeant doing an Isis Wings number in gold paint... you know you want to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aisha Azar View Post
    Dear Tribal Belly Dance Malta,
    Well..... it matters very much to me if someone perceives this as belly dance, not only because it was vulgar, but because it is in no way connected with the culture or spirit of belly dance, and because the quality of the actual physical dance was just plain poor.
    Regards,
    A'isha
    No no no I don't mean in the sense that it doesn't matter its belly dance, I meant in the general term of what ever it was, and having looked up the information it seems they are not classing it as belly dance thank goodness, they are I think giving it the name exotic dance.
    Oh no I agree totally with you on the point you raised I have spent so many years responding to the usual dirty looks from the ignorant and then explaining in easy terms what belly dance really is........

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    I just looked at this and apart from being shocked like everyone else, I actually think they might be trying to do an Oriental themed piece here!

    Here are the clues, wings?.., his trousers? her bra and belt? the dodgy side camels she did, some of the moves which look like someone trying to dance ME style... distorted yes, but I am not sure there is such a dance style as this??

    I may be wrong but I have seen things like this before.

    There was a dancer in Manchester who was very well known for performing in family restaurants in this attire.

    She had a nice bum but it soooo not OK to do this. She is alot more covered up these days and went from this to a sort of tribal fusion thingy.. very confusing.

    I have seen 'wild wings' like this many times before, and all these dodgy moves and more.... all trying to pass as MED.. and worst still, being percieved as so by the audience.

    Did anyone see the article in the Sunday Mirror yesterday... not sure I want to confess to reading this rag but I was away at the weekend and someone had it.

    It was about Alex ferguson and Manchester United Football club having an Egyptian themed party costing fifteen thousand sterling.

    Last years Man U's party caused a storm when they invited prostitutes and took part in orgies etc. Sir Alex banned them from having another party.

    The scandal is that after last years party performance... this year...they are going to have belly dancers!!! ..'scantily clad and gyrating all over the place'.

    Does anyone know who has been booked to do this?

    They should be warned.

    I think it will be hilarious as I dont know anyone in Manchester who will actually be prepared to do this so they are going to be very disapointed!

    that is unless they have booked lap dancers dressed in Belly dance costumes??

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    Here's a link to the article you mentioned below, Caroline.

    Sir Alex Ferguson's $14k Egyptian-theme Xmas party - mirror.co.uk

    My bet would be strippers in bellydance costumes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline_afifi View Post
    I just looked at this and apart from being shocked like everyone else, I actually think they might be trying to do an Oriental themed piece here!

    Here are the clues, wings?.., his trousers? her bra and belt? the dodgy side camels she did, some of the moves which look like someone trying to dance ME style... distorted yes, but I am not sure there is such a dance style as this??

    I may be wrong but I have seen things like this before.

    There was a dancer in Manchester who was very well known for performing in family restaurants in this attire.

    She had a nice bum but it soooo not OK to do this. She is alot more covered up these days and went from this to a sort of tribal fusion thingy.. very confusing.

    I have seen 'wild wings' like this many times before, and all these dodgy moves and more.... all trying to pass as MED.. and worst still, being percieved as so by the audience.

    Did anyone see the article in the Sunday Mirror yesterday... not sure I want to confess to reading this rag but I was away at the weekend and someone had it.

    It was about Alex ferguson and Manchester United Football club having an Egyptian themed party costing fifteen thousand sterling.

    Last years Man U's party caused a storm when they invited prostitutes and took part in orgies etc. Sir Alex banned them from having another party.

    The scandal is that after last years party performance... this year...they are going to have belly dancers!!! ..'scantily clad and gyrating all over the place'.

    Does anyone know who has been booked to do this?

    They should be warned.

    I think it will be hilarious as I dont know anyone in Manchester who will actually be prepared to do this so they are going to be very disapointed!

    that is unless they have booked lap dancers dressed in Belly dance costumes??

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    The news item quoted these guys.
    The Christmas Company: Greater Manchester Christmas Parties, Party at the Pyramids

    You get a "professional team of belly dancers and fire eaters ". Legally you can't fault it, thay may well be a professional team...



    ... but maybe not of belly dancers. They just look like show-type dancers shaking it and doing a distressing amount of walk like an Egyptian arms.

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    Dear Aniseteph,
    I am so saddened that they ran out of time and did not get to drag out a couple more tired clishes. "A Belly Dahnsah, a Snake Chahmah". Gag me with a sword...
    Regards,
    A'isha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jane View Post
    When it becomes more about the dancer than the dance.

    It's hard to verbalize, but it has to do with a Look at me exhibitionism feeling vs. Look at this beautiful dance. I don't mean taking the dancers personality out of a performance, but the dance should be what is presented by a dancer, not the other way round. This kind of attitude makes me very uncomfortable when watching a performance.

    Am I making sense at all? I'm not putting this very well
    Yes you are making perfect sense!
    Yasmine

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