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    Disgusting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniseteph View Post
    The news item quoted these guys.
    The Christmas Company: Greater Manchester Christmas Parties, Party at the Pyramids

    You get a "professional team of belly dancers and fire eaters ". Legally you can't fault it, thay may well be a professional team...



    ... but maybe not of belly dancers. They just look like show-type dancers shaking it and doing a distressing amount of walk like an Egyptian arms.
    Are you Sherlock Holmes or what?

    OMG in the name of all its glory....

    what a load of sh*t.

    It couldnt have been worse if the Ishtar of New Brighton decended upon them with her singing warrior women.

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    I thought she was "She whose Name must not be Spoken!" lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sita View Post
    Just curious.. would you consider some of Dina's costumes and dance routines a step to far then?
    because while I feel she can easily meet your definition it has not seemed to really hurt her career or reputation as a dancer

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    As a guy dancer who likes girls? Yea, actually, I do find her a bit much. She's distracting, and not in a good way; I talked about my opinions on one costume of hers on my dance blog:

    Dina's costumes tend to show off enough skin to make the Sahar Okasha stuff look downright prudish (ironic, given the origins of that line...). But here I am, watching a Dina video, and, well, she pulls off both "sexy", "coqettish", "fairy", and "painful", all in the same look.

    Fifi, for example, I think is nearly as risque, but pulls it off well. Watching Dina at times is like watching someone try Real Hard to keep your attention on stage. And it's frustrating, when all you want to do is watch her kick butt as a dancer!
    I've been told I'm too judgmental, and overreacting, and some of that might be true. And I understand that, for her act, and for her popularity, some of that is necessary to put butts in the seat. I can understand the need, and not judge her for it as a person, while also saying "yeah, for me personally, it's a little much."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenc View Post
    Ok Sit down put down all coffee (and any other liquids) strap yourself in your seat if necessary and take all other safety precautions!!

    Dancing of Dream 1 1-8-08 - Video
    ...um, yeah.

    That was about 100 steps too far. The only interesting bit was watching a more masculine use of the Isis Wings.

    Otherwise, it's pretty much a What Not to do, Ever (and also Not Show Your Kids!).

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    Default Two questions in one

    Actually there are two ways of looking at this:

    Too far to be considered "belly dance" and
    Too far to be considered "decent"

    For me, if the spirit isn't there it isn't belly dance. For me, the "spirit" is a way of connecting the movement of your body and the emotions you express with the music and culture. Disconnect that and you might still have good dance - but it isn't belly dance.

    The second issue depends on situation - both the type of event and the culture of the audience. For instance, in most family events there would be no genital flashes - but it may not be an issue in some communities where adult nudity is commonplace. In an "average" family event in NZ I wouldn't think twice about cleavage and legs (providing butts and gentials are covered). I suspect in many US communities this would not be acceptable.

    If we are talking "average" restaurant scene I'd cringe at gentials, touching the audience, in the face boob shaking (especially while under a veil ), and humping on the floor. (Unfortunately I've seen all of these at some point)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenc View Post
    I thought she was "She whose Name must not be Spoken!" lol!
    Ooops Sorry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caroline_afifi View Post
    Ooops Sorry!
    Fearless or what!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniseteph View Post
    The news item quoted these guys.
    The Christmas Company: Greater Manchester Christmas Parties, Party at the Pyramids

    You get a "professional team of belly dancers and fire eaters ". Legally you can't fault it, thay may well be a professional team...



    ... but maybe not of belly dancers. They just look like show-type dancers shaking it and doing a distressing amount of walk like an Egyptian arms.
    Looks like the kind of thing that would impress footballers

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    Quote Originally Posted by asim View Post
    As a guy dancer who likes girls? Yea, actually, I do find her a bit much. She's distracting, and not in a good way; I talked about my opinions on one costume of hers on my dance blog:

    Dina's costumes tend to show off enough skin to make the Sahar Okasha stuff look downright prudish (ironic, given the origins of that line...). But here I am, watching a Dina video, and, well, she pulls off both "sexy", "coqettish", "fairy", and "painful", all in the same look.

    Fifi, for example, I think is nearly as risque, but pulls it off well. Watching Dina at times is like watching someone try Real Hard to keep your attention on stage. And it's frustrating, when all you want to do is watch her kick butt as a dancer!
    I've been told I'm too judgmental, and overreacting, and some of that might be true. And I understand that, for her act, and for her popularity, some of that is necessary to put butts in the seat. I can understand the need, and not judge her for it as a person, while also saying "yeah, for me personally, it's a little much."
    I think your comments are pretty much spot on.

    I have been told many times that I 'dont get Dina' and I just turn it around and say 'maybe you just dont get Dina'.

    Fifi was a powerful, sexual strong woman.. in Arabic 'heya adara'.

    Dina introduced a new level of sex in my opinion, it played to men in a different way but definately played to men.

    Fifi was from the old school which played with men and joked with them in more of a humorous way. This is more 'shaabi' style.

    The 'porno' faces of Dina etc. are a step too far for me and the thousdands of fans copied that face and still do.

    I have seen her perform live and was not impressed either time, however, I am told by many that her 'festival' performances are something quite different.

    Many Egyptian dancers these days are starting to have two levels of dance, one for 'their own' audience and one for the international belly dance scene...

    now what does that tell us??

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