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    OMG, snake on boob...OW OW OW!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by missanime View Post
    i would think you'd want one that's obviously tamed first before making the attempt in the first place
    You can habituate a snake to being handled, but you really can't domesticate or tame one- sort of like some bikers I know .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamtheatre999 View Post
    Just curious, is there a such thing as Nude Belly dancing? if so are there any sites for that type of thing?
    Yes there is. It's called topless dancing. I think all you would have to do is go to any porn or strip joint website for more info. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by prince ali baba View Post
    It's called topless dancing. I think all you would have to do is go to any porn or strip joint website for more info.
    Just because someone is topless doesn't mean s/he is belly dancing. And typically web sites for porn and strip joints don't have any information about belly dancing. Their information is about porn or stripping, which are entirely different things.

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    Sure if dancing in nude colour costume counts...lol

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    Actually "nude belly dance" in Japanese movie "Tanka" (2006). I have no idea what the story is, and my friend said there is NO story for this movie. Anyway, heroine in this movie is 30 something year old lady, who has two lovers one is older and married man, and the other is young guy and she learns BD. There were some dance seen by Japanese professional dancers in the movie. Anyway, close to end of the movie, when heroine broke up with her young lover, they had final sex. But the poor young guy couldn't perform, because he was hart broken by broke up with heroine. So, while the guy was in the bathroom, heroine got idea, and she started dancing use veil without any cloth on it.!! Yap, she was naked!

    This movie was worse than porno movie, and the female director (according to my friend, the director herself learn BD before) use Oriental dance seen to express heroine's sensual and sexual emotion. However, she used dance seen while heroine masturbate in her bed room was unacceptable.
    I doubt that this director knows Oriental/Belly dance at all. I don't know who was her teacher(s) and what she learn from the classes, but totally disrespectful to dance, culture and art form.

    Again I have no idea what is the story, and why she needed to use dance seen. Actually I know why, because of the stereotype of "Belly dance is sexual dance to seduce man" image, and it was really worse than promo movie that all my friends who watch this movie say. We even didn't watch whole thing, just watch the dance seen, but still you can tell how I felt so disgust after watch this movie.

    I was looking for any video clips on YouTube, or any English translation of this movie, but couldn't find it. I'm sure if you brothers and sisters watch this movie you guys got soooooo mad.

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    Okay, I am interested in the history of this dance and the costuming. This site popped up twice while I was doing a search, and this thread caught my funny bone. So I joined the forum.

    Da Sage, brilliant answer.

    Shiradotnet, I got my M.S. at Iowa. I might have known your parents (or grandparents). I would venture to say, even without seeing a picture of you, that you were undoubtedly the sexiest person at that clothing optional resort. I once showed some nude paintings at such a resort. The entertainment that night was a square dance group (in full costume). Now that was funny, and it was the nudists who were wondering what in the world the dancers were thinking about all them nekkid people watching them. However, bare arse is not necessarily sexy or arousing. Nude beaches are seldom as erotic as non-nude beaches (Go to, and compare, Haulover Beach and South Beach in Miami and judge for yourself).

    So, the whole thread is a hoot. I love it. But, if I may, I have a more serious side of the question I would like to pursue.

    My wife has danced for me in every stage of dress or undress, and I must say nude is not the sexiest way to present this form of dancing. And she has a very nice body. The dance, regardless of how it has been presented in public venues, is a dance intended to incite passion. Costume is a most important aspect of that purpose.

    I would like to point out that the brassiere was a twentieth century French invention, and probably first used by a belly dancer in a club in Chicago. Now it is standard costuming wherever the dance is performed in its cabaret style. I don’t dislike such costuming, or cabaret style belly dancing, but for the tribal form of the dance I would like to see some varieties in the costuming that incorporate more of the historical elements. Specifically, if you look at the paintings by the nineteenth century French artist, Jean-Leon Gerome, and some Italian contemporaries, you will see a preponderance of under-the-breasts vests. These were apparently worn with or without something under them—sometimes with a transparent fabric. Coin necklaces were common but not coin bras. Other vest styles that covered the breasts were also prevalent.

    Now then, these costumes were probably worn by Roma (Gypsy) dancers who entertained Turkish troops and mercenaries (Bashi-Bazouks) for money. But what then did the Arab and Moorish women wear when they entertained their husbands?

    As Missanime stated, nude belly dancing is called stripping. Yes to semi-public or public performances while wearing revealing and historically plausible upper body costumes. And let’s have some men dressed in skirts like the Bashi-Bazouks wore, along with other “props” dressed as poor Arab musicians and servants. At the least, it was a terribly romantic theme to some nineteenth century art coinsures, and it is to me. Such costumes are also quite erotic when my wife wears them for me.

    Tatabelly, lounging and even dancing bare arse on the beach can indeed be great fun with people you enjoy being with. Nude is nice for some of us, no matter what sorts of flesh are flopping around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Rudesill View Post
    I would like to point out that the brassiere was a twentieth century French invention, and probably first used by a belly dancer in a club in Chicago. Now it is standard costuming wherever the dance is performed in its cabaret style. I don’t dislike such costuming, or cabaret style belly dancing, but for the tribal form of the dance I would like to see some varieties in the costuming that incorporate more of the historical elements. Specifically, if you look at the paintings by the nineteenth century French artist, Jean-Leon Gerome, and some Italian contemporaries, you will see a preponderance of under-the-breasts vests. These were apparently worn with or without something under them—sometimes with a transparent fabric. Coin necklaces were common but not coin bras. Other vest styles that covered the breasts were also prevalent.
    Hiya Bud, welcome to the forum. If you're interested in costume history you might like to check out this thread http://www.bellydanceforums.net/othe...-costumes.html .. lots of debate on this type of thing.

    I love the idea of getting costume inspiration from all sorts of sources, but it's my feeling that authentic historical references in costuming would be kind of spurious for tribal.

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    I agree and I think I worded my statement correctly. American Tribal and Fusion are descriptions that make it clear that the primary intent of these genres is not to attempt to recreate history. I was suggesting that the use of the French Brassiere, with and without coins, has become the world standard for cabaret dancers. That costuming element is twentieth century French-American. An increased use of “elements” of documented nineteenth century costuming into the “fusion” would set American Tribal off better as a separate genre from cabaret dancing.

    We saw a group at an art fair in Redway, CA some years before my wife got interested in (or had the opportunity to learn) belly dancing. Unfortunately I lost all the pictures I took of them except one. Anyway, they mostly wore vests or blouses without bras. They had infused some Reggae and Hippy flavor to some of their costuming, dance, and music. There was also a fabulous Vietnamese-American dancer among them who fused Far Eastern dancing into the mix.

    In the Raleigh-Durham (NC) area where we are now, at least one group, The Blue Moon Dance Company, uses a tremendous variety of costuming. We are trying to put together a group in Pittsboro with its own distinct flavor, and will be using elements from nineteenth century paintings, etc.

    Anyway, I have looked at several sites on the history of belly dance costuming along with old National Geographic photos, etc. I am interested in any photos, drawings, or paintings that show historically based costumes. I am especially having trouble finding anything from the early Moorish/Spanish/Roma fusion that led to Flamenco.

    But belly dancing is by nature and history a fusion dance and, hey, it's all fantastic and fun!

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    Maybe I'm getting confused...

    An increased use of “elements” of documented nineteenth century costuming into the “fusion” would set American Tribal off better as a separate genre from cabaret dancing.
    I disagree. Educated dancers should be able to tell ATS from cabaret already, and IMO for the audience it would muddy the waters further. Adding an "authentic historical ME belly dance" element to tribal or fusion costuming suggests (perhaps unintentionally) to your audience that they are seeing "authentic historical ME" belly dance. And if it's fusion or tribal that is one thing it is not.

    I have nothing against historical costume inspiration, far from it, but adding it to tribal or fusion as a way of separating it from other styles just risks adding another layer of fake "authentic" for me.

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