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    Quote Originally Posted by Marya View Post
    There are lots of good teachers in the Portland Area. I personally am familiar with a few and Lilah Perry is a former student of Cassandra Shore and she is a wonderful dancer and with Cassandra as a model she will be a good teacher too. You might want to check out more than one if you are going to be having private lessons.

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    do you have contact for her? thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alosha View Post
    do you have contact for her? thank you.
    dancer_lilahperry@yahoo.com

    www.lilahperry.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kashmir View Post
    Sorry, but someone has to tell you - the clip you posted showed a student going through a series of isolations - in time to the music certainly - but if I hired a dancer (even if I didn't have to actually pay anything) and that performance was what I got I'd be really pissed. And depending on the guest list rather embarrassed.

    You simply are not ready yet. Give it more time. If you are no longer with your original teacher - and assuming there are no other nearby choices around - can you do private lessons with another teacher a bit further out?
    i'm lad that's what i look like because that's what i am- a student.

    as far as not performing for two years, how am i supposed to get the stage presence i need, as well as feedback? as long as i don't promote myself as being a pro and say that i am a student, why cant i perform?

    the other girls, like i said, are way better. i'm uncomfortable posting their performances, so you'll have to take my word for it.

    thank you for your feedback, i didn't think i was ready to be paid either

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    thanks marya, i'll send her an email!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alosha View Post
    i'm lad that's what i look like because that's what i am- a student.

    as far as not performing for two years, how am i supposed to get the stage presence i need, as well as feedback? as long as i don't promote myself as being a pro and say that i am a student, why cant i perform?

    the other girls, like i said, are way better. i'm uncomfortable posting their performances, so you'll have to take my word for it.

    thank you for your feedback, i didn't think i was ready to be paid either
    Hi Alosha,

    It is absolutely true that you can only learn stage presence and get better at performing by performing. But it is also true that you don't learn to dance while onstage. If you are learning from your troupemates, you are limited to what they choose to teach you (and also limited by their teaching skill) - and I have seen far too many dancers stuck at a low level because they are not really students - they learned from family and friends and maybe a video or two, and they aren't really addressing their weak spots or technique.

    Some dancers are simply phenomenal, even if self-taught. The other 99.9% of us need to seek out good teachers and spend as much time as possible in their classes - even if it's just one class every month (let the teacher know that time/money/distance is limiting your attendance, if you can't come every week - this will let her know that you are still serious about dancing).

    Also find out who sponsors open-call haflas and shows within a 1-4 hour driving radius of your town, and bring your troupe there to perform (or just go by yourself). Here in the Twin Cities, we get performers from Duluth, Rochester, St Cloud, and Wisconsin all the time. Nobody gets paid at a casual hafla, but performers get in free.

    Go to workshops and festivals...some of them have participant shows, which are good opportunities to perform, as well as watch other dancers.

    And just so you know, I'm a former student dancer...I am currently without classes after 4 years of straight classes, so I can't truthfully call myself a student, can I? When I'm out of class, my skills decline. I think this is true of most dancers. Do yourself a favor: if you can possibly afford it, get into a real class. If you can find yourself a mentor, fabulous, but a teacher grade B or above should be first on your list (not every teacher is grade A, and that's OK).

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    thanks so much to everyone. i'd already scheduled some lessons in portland before this post, and am looking forward to them. i've scheduled lessons with different teachers, hoping to find one that is a good 'fit'. it's about a two hour drive each way, so they will be limited, that's for sure!

    the original purpose of the post was to find out if it was ok to perform for free, wondering if others had, etc. now i know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alosha View Post
    thanks so much to everyone. i'd already scheduled some lessons in portland before this post, and am looking forward to them. i've scheduled lessons with different teachers, hoping to find one that is a good 'fit'. it's about a two hour drive each way, so they will be limited, that's for sure!

    the original purpose of the post was to find out if it was ok to perform for free, wondering if others had, etc. now i know.
    My friends and troupe have performed for free at fundraisers, community events, talent shows, fun haflas, and workshop shows.

    I know some people who have performed at showcases and variety shows, but I'm not sure what compensation they received.

    Ren Faires are a good first "professional" opportunity, but try not to undercut anyone. Street character jobs give you a lot of flexibility and are a great way to start out, but don't pay much. Stage jobs, you need to do your research on the going rate (for other show types as well as dancing), and be sure your compensation is in line with everyone else's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alosha View Post
    i'm lad that's what i look like because that's what i am- a student.

    as far as not performing for two years, how am i supposed to get the stage presence i need, as well as feedback? as long as i don't promote myself as being a pro and say that i am a student, why cant i perform?

    the other girls, like i said, are way better. i'm uncomfortable posting their performances, so you'll have to take my word for it.

    thank you for your feedback, i didn't think i was ready to be paid either
    Stage presence is a small part of performing. Really, really knowing what you are doing is a bigger part of it. Feedback on that does not need a performance venue. In class a teacher can correct and add technique, guide your improvisation, and give you tools to perform with – such as a range of choreographies. (I’m not suggesting you need choreographies to perform – but having a few under your belt gives you a range ways to interact with the music. If you do decide to use them then you need to know them so well that you can re-orient them as you start dancing; do it mirrored; stop while someone runs in front of you and pick it up again when the space is clear, etc)

    Once you can perform well – that is express the music in an interesting way with nice clean technique then the next step is performing for your peers – other dancers, friends and family. Until you can hold and interest these people you are not ready for the general public – paid or unpaid.

    To put things into perspective, one of my favourite dancers – Denise Enan – once she was selected to dance professionally (ie she was already a good dancer not only with over a decade of informal dancing raqs sharqi but also a similar amount of ballet training) she studied formally several hours every day for 2 years before being allowed on stage. And that was only the start of her dance education. Most of us will never be able to take it that seriously but I regularly run across dancers who are still attending classes and workshops over 25 years into their love affair with this dance.

    I'm glad you have found someone to take you to the next step. Hope it works out.

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    I second what Kashmir says. Also if you try to learn stage prescence before you are fully proficient, you run the risk glossing over your lack of experience (and the faults which are inevitable we all have them).

    I see fdrom other posts that you are trying to dance to music you are not familiar with, because you might have to do this on stage one day.

    As a beginner, (which I class myself to be also) you need to familiarise yourself with your music, working to the same pieces over again so that you know how ME music works, what works best with a particular phrase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alosha View Post
    thanks so much to everyone. i'd already scheduled some lessons in portland before this post, and am looking forward to them. i've scheduled lessons with different teachers, hoping to find one that is a good 'fit'. it's about a two hour drive each way, so they will be limited, that's for sure!

    the original purpose of the post was to find out if it was ok to perform for free, wondering if others had, etc. now i know.
    Alosha,

    Because of where I live I have had to drive at least 2 hours, one way, to get quality instruction. Now I drive 4 hours one way, to Spokane every few months for two hours of quality instruction. It can be hard to find a teacher that suits you but once you do, try to be regular about the classes.

    when I was driving over to Pendleton for classes, I car pooled with three other ladies so it wasn't that hard, but we went every week that weather allowed.

    Sometimes teachers will offer semi-privates to a small group of dancers at a group rate.

    Marya

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