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    "An Internet troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion".

    When people reject civil discourse in favor of repetitive troll behavior that drives reasonable people away from the forums, why aren't these people regarded as trolls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharmine View Post
    "An Internet troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion".

    When people reject civil discourse in favor of repetitive troll behavior that drives reasonable people away from the forums, why aren't these people regarded as trolls?
    Indeed. But I was led to believe that trolls were, like sock puppets, anonymous posters. There seems to me that there are those on here who go out of their way for a fight, or some reason to stir up trouble. The problem is that most folks just don't want to get involved and so the perpetrators think they are justified in their behaviour. I've noticed only a very small few on here will actually stand their ground and stick up for others. I've had my run ins in the past, spoken my mind, made my stand etc, and though I had a fair amount of PM's applauding my posts, those same PM'ers did not speak up on the actual threads, perhaps for fear of being attacked themselves. A sorry state of affairs. This board has a reputation for being bitchy and nasty, and this subject had been broached many a time on Bhuz where people categorically state they do not come on here for those negative reasons. What does that tell us?

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    Some people are just plain nasty.

    Some as just plain stupid.

    Some do it because they feel inferior

    Some do it because they feel superior

    Some enjoy being troublemakers

    Some just don't read others' opinions and questions properly

    Some can't recognise the positive in other people and are always ready to take offense.

    Some are touchy and ultra sensitive and always take things personally.

    Some get a kick out of making others feel bad. Well that's probably better than them torturing kittens.

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    Trolling, my other website of interest, I have been accused of it myself, but had to enquire what I was doing to warrant such a response. I was told, I took a look at myself and modified my behaviour.

    The one thing I do understand about trolling, is we are all guilty of it at some point, sometimes we are in a mood where what we say might not be the best thing, remember phrasology, vocabulary, it can differ with the mood.

    But consistent trolling, that has to be dealt with, no one needs a permanent antagonist on a forum.

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    Pseudo-trolls?

    Whatever, I am picking up nasty vibes which is sad, and I don't feel I can say what I think because I'll get painted as an evil stirring snark-b*tch. I'd rather Bhuz.

    At least the A'isha-Tarik debates were fairly self-contained and didn't splatter divisiveness everywhere.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniseteph View Post
    Pseudo-trolls?

    Whatever, I am picking up nasty vibes which is sad, and I don't feel I can say what I think because I'll get painted as an evil stirring snark-b*tch. I'd rather Bhuz.

    At least the A'isha-Tarik debates were fairly self-contained and didn't splatter divisiveness everywhere.

    If we are talking Arab/Muslim thread, yes there were some very unjustified comments thrown in. Others were trying to be honest and talking about their "Road to Damascus" in answer to a well meaning OP. Others made milage out of it.
    Frankly if people want to think like that, there's little you can do. Some people will always want turn nasty or turn to their advantage. People have a choice they can avoid those threads and stick to dance related.
    Ho hum Bhuz..yes everything is a little lighter over there but if you can be bothered with avoiding all the "For Sale" signs and not daring to venture a minority opinion...well I'm duck the flak on OD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharmine View Post
    "An Internet troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion".

    When people reject civil discourse in favor of repetitive troll behavior that drives reasonable people away from the forums, why aren't these people regarded as trolls?

    so on the basis of this defintion are we to suggest that the moderator in question started a troll like thread?

    that when an insistence was made that the use of the word islam to describe a person as a muslim was somehow justifiable (with support of others i might add) when in no uncertain terms all it would have taken was a simple apology?

    now lets' be frank shall we?

    I suppose even you Kharmine can be accused of being a troll, since in your debates with A'isha sometimes it went overboard with snappy snide remarks?

    weren't you the same one who spoke about casting stones in the other thread?

    is this one big boulder that is being flung from the virtual mountain?

    i have no compulsion to reject civil discourse. as a matter of fact i pride in being civil...what i can't take is when logic is thrown out the window and the expectation is that people should not object to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharis View Post
    This board has a reputation for being bitchy and nasty, and this subject had been broached many a time on Bhuz where people categorically state they do not come on here for those negative reasons.
    GOOD.

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    I thought trolling was when you push people's buttons on purpose and sit back and watch 'em go. The odd snide remark trying to make a point in a debate you are actively participating in is different IMO.

    I guess there are advanced stealth-trolls about, getting off on stirring it. And they turn it sour for everyone.

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    so called trolls dip in with a wooden spoon then duck out again.

    I dont like to see this forum get slammed because it has been the most educational forum for me personally.

    Bhuz is different, but that too has many threads which go something like

    'bla bla bla ...RANT!!!! '

    So I guess most forums have threads which are about letting off steam and having a gripe, moan or winge about something.

    The difference is with this forum, is we have people who do speak arabic and do engage in very valuable and much needed discussions about an art form that comes from the Middle East.

    It saddens me that this in itself seems to annoy people at times.

    If the the ME people of this forum left tomorrow this would be a forum with a big almighty hole because it would be lacking input that some people never get and are unlikely to ever get.

    It is an international forum which communicates in English language.
    The 'English' are a small group of people who make up just one part of a tiny island... so what does that tell us about history?

    Let people set up threads in any language they want and hope they still manage to be bothered to share their thoughts in English with everyone regardless of what it is they have to say.

    This is an international forum so we might want to remember that when we express ourselves, regardless of who is wrong or right.

    This forum is smacking of domination and alienation.

    The language used and the terms which they are expressed have been unwisely chosen.

    I think that in many ways A'isha kept this forum together as it seems to have decended into utter chaos and a free for all saloon fight since she left...

    now what the hell is that all about??

    I am off to Cairo now and I hope it has all calmed down by the time I get back and we have not had any more casualties.
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