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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariadne View Post
    ...That is why I have a great deal of respect for those who moderate and run boards that enforce the politeness rules. Any objections, vents, or issues with individuals or topics should always be taken up with the staff and not the other members. It's up to them to decide if they should stay or go and keeping personal differences in PM's keep them from disrupting the entire board.
    Agreed. I know there have been some moderators here who feel overwhelmed and intimidated to the point that even they are backing off on making posts they're afraid will get them attacked.

    That won't help when someone needs to step in and tell everyone to go to their corners and cool off before making any more posts.
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    he difference is with this forum, is we have people who do speak arabic and do engage in very valuable and much needed discussions about an art form that comes from the Middle East.
    The problem with that is that many of us cant read it, and we are the ones that would benefit most from that "valuable and much needed" discourse.

    I think that in many ways A'isha kept this forum together as it seems to have decended into utter chaos and a free for all saloon fight since she left...
    Despite the fact that she was one of the largest of the snark pot stirrers. She is also the only person that I have on ignore. The downside of all of that, is that she is one of the ones I learned the most from. But I cant sift through all the sand for the diamond.

    The 'English' are a small group of people who make up just one part of a tiny island... so what does that tell us about history?
    That is totally irrelevant to the situation. Furthermore, this forum is on an American server, run by and paid for by an American woman. The programming is English, the majority of the speakers are either first or second language English. It is not too far of a stretch to understand why most threads are in English. Were this homed in Egypt, run by a French-speaking citizen, this idea would be totally out of line. But it's not. While I respect the concept of multiculturalism, at some point, someone has to say that just because its English doesnt make it bad.

    I know there have been some moderators here who feel overwhelmed and intimidated to the point that even they are backing off on making posts they're afraid will get them attacked.
    Yeah, I'm one of them. I dont know whether to be more assertive, more gentle, what. I am a patient person, but I am not passive. Also, this is the first forum I have ever moderated where the rules are lax. Now, do not mistake this for criticism. Salome operates on the concepts of free speech and that we are all adults and can handle ourselves as such. But as that's not happening, it makes for internal questions of how to handle someone. That being said, I usually just hope that someone will burn themselves out and go away.

    But I was led to believe that trolls were, like sock puppets, anonymous posters
    Can you explain what you mean a little more? People that come in, mass post, then leave? I jsut want to be sure that I understand what you mean? Some of the best trolls I know are the ones that ensure vested interest in a forum. They are there to troll and watch, not troll and leave.


    You can't call it a troll because someone is not agreeing with you and answering in a snide way.
    Agreed. As previously stated, I know some really really good trolls. The best of the best do it without a harsh word, without ever becoming rude, crude or socially unacceptable. They do it in such a way that they get you all spun up, but they themselves never become so.

    ...lots of ways to vent frustration there by just laughing or smiling or being in awe of some of the videos
    lol that actually works for me. Thats what I was headed in here to do, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharis View Post
    A troll antagonises and then steps back to await the explosion. There's a difference between this and standing up for yourself by biting back. One thing I cannot stand, be it on boards or in face to face interaction is bullying. I find it unacceptable.
    Yes, I don't think you can label someone a "troll" just because they disagree with you and won't roll over. I believe a troll is also not a "real" person (as real as any of us are on the net) - ie anonymous or pretending to be someone else.

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    Hello there. I'm still fairly new here and given the nature of some of the posts recently on this board I'm a little nervous about what I'm about to say, but I'm gonna say it anyway. If you decide that this is a little too "out there" and frank, I'm happy to go away. I see that unpleasant thread has already seen off one valued member of the forum.

    So, I have always understood a troll to be an anonymous user of a forum, who's sole aim is to cause trouble.

    A couple of people on that now-locked really nasty thread made the hairs on my neck stand on end. The one that really got to me was Awasef. So I looked a little further.


    • Awasef is new here (as am I, but I am open about who I am)
    • The vast majority of posts made by Awasef are sarcastic, snide, or inflammatory. I saw no positive or constructive posts.
    • What little she or he has written on her biog is in Arabic script, so I can't tell who this person is and if I didn't know from the posts that Awasef's English is bang-on perfect, it would certainly discourage me from communicating with him/her based on that.
    • Awasef's avatar is a bolt of lightning.
    • I looked up what Awasef means - "Storms" apparently.


    Sure looks like a troll to me. Prove me wrong, Awasef.

    Goodnight all.

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    wow....ok

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    Hello there. I'm still fairly new here and given the nature of some of the posts recently on this board I'm a little nervous about what I'm about to say, but I'm gonna say it anyway. If you decide that this is a little too "out there" and frank, I'm happy to go away. I see that unpleasant thread has already seen off one valued member of the forum.

    So, I have always understood a troll to be an anonymous user of a forum, who's sole aim is to cause trouble.

    A couple of people on that now-locked really nasty thread made the hairs on my neck stand on end. The one that really got to me was Awasef. So I looked a little further.


    • Awasef is new here (as am I, but I am open about who I am)

      Exactly. Both of you are new here.

    • The vast majority of posts made by Awasef are sarcastic, snide, or inflammatory. I saw no positive or constructive posts.

      The vast majority of Awasef's posts in the "other" thread (she posted mostly in two) were pleasant and positive, just ask the other members. As for the Arab/Muslim thread, it is no surprise that her posts were sarcastic and snide- so were everyone else's!

    • What little she or he has written on her biog is in Arabic script, so I can't tell who this person is and if I didn't know from the posts that Awasef's English is bang-on perfect, it would certainly discourage me from communicating with him/her based on that.

      That would be a choice you are making. I'm sure if you tried approaching her in a good way she won't reject you. Summerdancer and I were also suspicious of Awasef when she first joined, but it turns out she's okay.

    • Awasef's avatar is a bolt of lightning.

      So? I have seen more hilarious avatars on here.

    • I looked up what Awasef means - "Storms" apparently.

      I have also seen the strangest names.


    Sure looks like a troll to me.

    Oh, that is proof right there!

    Prove me wrong, Awasef.

    Awasef doesn't need to prove anything to you, you only joined the forum recently. I think calling other members trolls is more annoying than trolls. Again, it is unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    Hello there. I'm still fairly new here and given the nature of some of the posts recently on this board I'm a little nervous about what I'm about to say, but I'm gonna say it anyway. If you decide that this is a little too "out there" and frank, I'm happy to go away. I see that unpleasant thread has already seen off one valued member of the forum.
    You know, I wasn't going to 'out' you here, but this post really got to me. All I will say is you have a history of drama and trouble on bhuz. As a matter of fact, you pretty much flounced off some months ago, due to some personal 'issues.' Prove me wrong,if I'm lying.

    Awasef is a new member and has been funny and constructive in the thread we participated in together. She only snarked in the now locked thread. We're all guilty of snark in that thread. Are we all trolls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightdancer View Post
    ...Agreed. As previously stated, I know some really really good trolls. The best of the best do it without a harsh word, without ever becoming rude, crude or socially unacceptable. They do it in such a way that they get you all spun up, but they themselves never become so.
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    I find that intriguing! Good trolls? Who'da thunk it?

    So there seems to be some consensus. We all agree that a troll is not simply a person who is disagreeable or disagrees with anyone in particular. Actually that was never even questionable, but it's good to emphasize.

    And I'm not into actually trying to "out" a specific person as a troll just because he or she can be a disagreeable. That's just not good, nor necessary.

    What I wanted to find out was whether we considered Salome's definition of troll (I'm assuming it's hers or maybe she borrowed it) to fit this kind of behavior when it applied to regular participants:

    "An Internet troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion".

    It appears the above may, indeed, meet our definition of trollish behavior, but most of us we feel that a troll is not a regular, has no real identity on this forum, and specializes in lobbing the occasional grenade.

    OK, good to get that straight!

    BTW, the rules for posting on OrientalDancer.net., can be found right next door on this topic forum. Whenever I see a little steam rising out of the ears of my friends, I'm gonna run over there and review. Just in case I feel the impulse to do something, um, impulsive!

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    LOL okay, how about "smooth" trolls. I know some really smooooooth trolls. (Robynne has a variety of interesting friends in weird places. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kashmir View Post
    I believe a troll is also not a "real" person (as real as any of us are on the net) - ie anonymous or pretending to be someone else.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kharmine View Post
    It appears the above may, indeed, meet our definition of trollish behavior, but most of us we feel that a troll is not a regular, has no real identity on this forum, and specializes in lobbing the occasional grenade.

    OK, good to get that straight!
    I am going to have to respectfully disagree. I am not saying that many trolls aren't anonymous but that in my experienced the more volatile Trolls tend to actually be well established on a board. Sometimes their long tenure is used by them to protect them from being forced to own up to their behavior. In one case I know of however they were banned so frequently their name made it into the rules... Hardly faceless is it? Another board I was on did not enforce moderation of "trollish" behavior at all because "they were all adults" and if someone didn't like it was their own fault because "they couldn't handle the heat" and they should "just not read it if they are going to be bothered by it." Over time the board was taken over by regular members who were most defiantly trolls when it came to any topic they didn't approve of and a large number of us simply left.

    The question isn't whether they are anonymous vs identifiable but whether they deliberately use inflammatory tactics ("with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response") to derail thread topics or just to get people riled up whenever they feel like it for whatever reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by nightdancer View Post
    Yeah, I'm one of them.
    I am sorry. That's a rough position to be in.

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