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    Senior Member Eshta's Avatar
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    Just repeating what's already been said...

    I inwardly analyse every dancer pretty much all the time, it's one of the curses of learning this dance is that I will never be able to just sit and enjoy it! But I try to analyse in a constructive light, I look for things that I like rather than what I don't like. But this is all for my own personal benefit. I would not feed back to the dancer unless I was explicitly asked by them.

    Youtube is a nightmare for the reasons already stated. But just because someone's videos are on youtube shouldn't mean it's a free-for-all for everyone to get the knives out. I don't tend to comment on youtube, and don't tend to participate in the youtube threads unless I have something I feel is worth contributing. Probably more because I'm too selfish and lazy I prefer to watch other dancers to get ideas rather than to be critical!

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    The recent thread on criticising ,in an unwarrented manner ,an individual dancer was one of a dancer who is a member of belly dance communities and that begs the question of why was it posted?
    So if we post a Youtube film and the dancer is not nationally nor internationally known or is not bringing the dance into dire disrepute, perhaps we aught to give it some thought.
    On the other hand if the routine is misguided,an example of poor pratice, gerneral comment is surely appropriate .

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    I think whenever we see a performance we constantly analyse it to ourselves - it is part of the learning process, even if we are not aware of it.

    I am trying to moderate the criticism that I express. The more I learn about dancing the more I am making a difference between what is not "my cup of tea" and what really is bad practise. And when it comes to the latter - you seldom have enough background information to make a based judgement.

    I guess it is part of the natural development - the more you learn, the clearer you can figure out your preferences, but also the more tolerant and open you become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayshier View Post
    critically analyzing other dancers, in terms of their performance i mean?

    is it something that you (meaning person who reads this) would do publicly?
    do you think it is fair, or even a part of 'dancer's ettiquette' to do so?

    does posting a video of yourself on youtube automatically mean that you are held up for scrutiny?
    I take it that if you perform in a public setting you are leaving yourself open to public critique. Even more so if it is a for profit paid performance (cf one that you pay for to cover costs like a student show) However, with YouTube you need to be sure the performer put herslf/hisself up there. If it was some keen "fan" then it is quite different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kayshier View Post
    critically analyzing other dancers, in terms of their performance i mean?

    is it something that you (meaning person who reads this) would do publicly?
    do you think it is fair, or even a part of 'dancer's ettiquette' to do so?
    Like has been said, we all examine things in our own way. When we watch a performance, we tend to discuss it as a group. On the whole, I dont have a problem with it because 99.9% of the time people are discussing the dance and the details rather than the person themselves.

    Where it is students performing, I tend to look at how the skills of their teacher has translated. If the student does a big 'NO NO' I do look to the teacher. We cannot ne responsible for every students move, but there are some things that should be taught in class as 'not what to do in performance'.

    I also look at the choreography, how the music was used, performance skills etc. these are very basic things and even were technique is not up to standard, these other factors cannot be exused when you have a veil wafting about to a piece of strong Saaidi music etc.

    does posting a video of yourself on youtube automatically mean that you are held up for scrutiny?
    Yes, totally.

    I know there is the you tube forum, but i have seen so many 'bad examples of dance on there, that sometimes it is hard for me to wonder what makes it bad, or what would improve it...
    sometimes the comments don't reflect that. so for those of us still at the embryonic stage of dance it might be a bit more difficult to decipher what we should look for.

    hmm...maybe i am just rambling i think but..
    A non dancer can recognise a good dancer, follow your gut instinct.

    anyway..any comments?
    there is nothing wrong with examing this dance and trying to figure it out.

    Sometimes it works the other way and people never get to hear what people really think because people are just way too polite.

    I always know who to ask for an honest answer.

    If I feel like I did not dance dance wel, l then no amount of people can tell me otherwise.

    It does not mean they did not enjoy it, it just means I managed to get away with a less than my usual standard of performance.

    I teach monthly dance development classes for dancers who go to other classes. I always give an honest opinion as how can they learn otherwise.

    I assume they pay me bacause they respect my opinion and want to be pushed and developed.

    many of my friends who teach weekly classes say that it is difficult to do this for many reasons.

    Analysis and critique is an essential part of any development.

    Sometimes this has to be discussed amongst friends and other to widen our perspective and have someone to bounce off.

    Too many people think this is a sin or something, and if you have not got anything but praise then we must keep our mouths firmly shut.

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    Many people post themselves on YouTube who would be amazed and devastated if they were criticiised as if they were professional dancers. You will not see me on YouTube yet cos the only thing I have been filmed in was dreadfully amateur - not least because I threw my veil over my head at the wrong time!! But many people have not thought it all through

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