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    In rural areas it is difficult to get any sort of public transport.

    Having said that, there are classes in almost every part of the UK.

    People here generally dont want to travel more than an hour to a workshop or class. When I first started, I had to. There were local classes of course but nothing which would stretch me or challenge me once I had developed the basics.

    We had a good teacher for basics called Marion Watson. One of her pupils started teaching after one of her 10 week night school courses.
    She was much younger and thought she had it all. She was of course more supple and lively but she was not the better dancer and still is'nt.

    She is older now, still teaching and is still technically pretty bad, has little understanding of styles and has her own cult like following.

    Setting yourself up as a teacher too soon does not mean you will automatically become good yourself, not unless you contine to learn and develop and this should never stop.

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    I wouldn't call your statement obnoxious De Sage just well..you have no idea what our roads are like. The traffic is so heavy that car and bus travel times bear no relation to distance. Trains when they run on time are OK and we have a far better network than some countries but it doesn't always cover rural areas. But I do get exasperated with people who find travelling 10 miles by a very regular and usually reliable train service to classes and refuse to cross a city with good bus links to do specialist workshops. Just shows they aren't THAT keen. I don't drive but I have used buses and trains and bummed lifts to get to workshops and classes. When my teacher left my town , I asked a teacher who taught elsewhere but lived nearby to take me with her. Sometimes you have to be cheeky and sometimes if the Mohammed can't come to the mountain....... Yes my friends and I paid a teacher in a town 15 miles away to drive to us.
    If the OP of this thread was THAT keen to learn to dance she could get to a good teacher. I also note that Eva Green who is a well known dancer and teacher in the UK advertises that she covers Folkestone!!!! Also Jaqueline Chapman one of the first ever dancer/teachers in the UK is not that far away. Canterbury does have teachers as does Dartford. A desert porkies on Youtube!M dear child you have no excuse. THAT keen to dance mmmm THAT keen to perform... am beginning to think that's right. If you love something don't you want to do it justice?.......

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    I don't think it's obnoxious either. OK transport here is not a bundle of fun, but it isn't entirely unfair to compare our situation with someone living in the US 30 miles from the nearest town.

    There's a class less than an hour up the motorway from Folkestone, and several more classes within a few miles of that one, with respected teachers too. Canterbury is even closer to most of them. Some desert.

    O...M...G.... teaching...
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    This is terrible terrible terrible. NOOOOOO!!!!!
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    The bottom line is that if a person really wants to learn to belly dance, they will find a way. They might go by bus, walk, car, whatever it takes. Right now, I live in the middle of nowhere. If I want to go to anywhere else, I have to go by airplane. Even with this restriction, I manage to get to a couple workshops per year and I try to take lessons whenever I"m in a town with teachers. The rest of the year, I have to rely on DVD's. The point is, I want to learn, so I find the time and the transportation to make it happen.

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    I have had students regularly drive 40 miles round trip from the closest town and almost 100 miles round trip from the next closest town to take lessons once a week. The closest workshops are about 200 miles from here, even further than they were before Marjorie lost her studio space in Cheyenne. In this part of the country, driving long distances is just a fact of life. Traffic is sparse, but weather conditions can be horrific.

    Sounds to me like if one wishes to take dance lessons in the UK, it can be managed. Belly dance in Canterbury- do you know how romantic that sounds to me?

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    Hee hee. I live in Montana and the next closest "big" town, Butte, is about an hour away from my house. Most of the "big" towns here are about an hour and a half from each other. Billings is about four hours away going 80mph on the highway. We have right around one million people in our entire state and it's a very large geographic area with crappy roads going over the continental divide in the winter. There are a couple of good teachers in Montana though. It's also possible to travel 6 hours to Spokane, Wa or 8 to Salt Lake City, Ut- I've done it several times! I don't get to live in a town, I live in a "census designated place." Isolated ain't even the word...


    Quote Originally Posted by da Sage View Post
    Someone I respect pointed out that this was an obnoxious statement on my part, and in retrospect I agree. I haven't experienced UK transportation myself, so I have no right to express an opinion about whether it's good or bad. I apologize for my abrupt and uninformed evaluation and pronouncement of the ease of using UK transportation and negotiating English terrain.

    I do notice, however, that although M finds it too difficult to travel to study bellydance, she does travel to teach bellydance.

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    Hey, Jane, meet me in Billings sometime- I'm about five hours away, depending on how fast I drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniseteph View Post
    Hey I killed this thread last time, so I'm digging it up again.

    As someone who is about to commit novelty Christmas fusion (in the privacy of our hafla) and has been sewing the costumes ALL DAY , I was gobsmacked by this one.



    oO;;; oh...em...GEEEEEEEEE...*smashes face on computer desk repeatedly*

    She dances about as well as I do, and TRUST me, that's not saying much...

    This is by no means joy to the bellydance world.

    What truly ticks me off is that she claims to have the basics down, but from this performance, even a noob like myself can see that her execution of even the basic moves is by no means polished. If she can't even do the basics well, I shudder for her students.

    She is very sweet, but sweetness alone is not going to make one a good dancer, neither will slick marketing (or teaching, as someone else already mentioned).

    AND WHY IN BLUE BLAZES IS SHE DANCING IN HER UNDERWEAR?!? IN THE COLD?!?

    And thank you to those who were also offended at her choice of music/costuming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post
    Hey, Jane, meet me in Billings sometime- I'm about five hours away, depending on how fast I drive.
    It wil cost you a lot...a lot..less to drive those miles than it would for us


    Just puts road conditions and costs in perspective My husband's journey to work across country through tiny lanes then a motorway then city roads at 7am takes 40 mins but it has ,when he comes home at "rush hour", taken him 2 1/2 hours.

    That statement does not excuse the student who can't be arsed to get on a bus for a 40 min ride to cross British city or drive for 10 miles. Let's face it so so much more attractive to start teaching and performing on your doorstep and being able to say you are a "pro" and earnng money than make the effort in time and money to lern to do something properly This young lady appears to dance in a restaurant. All I can say if a group of dance fans go there for a meal, I would imagine the proprietor might be told in no uncertain terms what they think of the entertainment.

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    [QUOTE=Farasha Hanem;138586]oO;;; oh...em...GEEEEEEEEE...*smashes face on computer desk repeatedly*

    She dances about as well as I do, and TRUST me, that's not saying much...

    Don't do yourself down - you are coming along nicely - and are aware of what you are striving for.

    Full marks to you

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