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    Quote Originally Posted by tribal_butterfly View Post
    I have had some trouble with this except mine was in a beginners class!! I have been dancing for 7 months. I go to ATS and Egyptian class once a week and do about an hr or 2 every other day. I would class myself a beginner and I struggle to do some things in class but others I feel come quite naturally. I booked a sharon kihara workshop which said ATS for beginners and it was designed for those who had never done ATS bfore. Even though I had studied some ATS I felt it suited my level. WRONG!!!!!!! The first hour was intense yoga and pilates which I couldnt do. It made me feel a complete fool. I was not alone, there was dancers age 18-60 in that workshop and only a few could even hold their legs up or streched out for the 5 minutes or so she had us standing in them.
    When we finally got to do some dancing we did drills and tummy rolls etc and arm techniques which I did not feel were for beginners. Baring in mind alot of these women had never even tried an ATS class (as this was advertised for complete beginners or those who had not studied ATS) it was far too advanced. She told everyone to go into "The turkish". How the heck do novices to ATS know what this is. It just was not explained. Luckily I knew a handful of moves from my class and so i felt comfy once we started dancing but I know alot of people felt uncomfy after speaking to them at the end.
    If there was a general rule for workshop levels and dancers levels we would all be OK. Ie tap and ballet get graded. Do you think bellydancing should be graded professionally ie exams etc?
    I'm surprised Sharon was teaching ATS, I do think some of the San Francisco dancers think that everyone knows their local history and lingo. I should hope that someone offering XYZ "for beginners" would start every sequence off with a demonstration of the moves. But I don't see why an ATS class should start with an hour of pilates and yoga, anyway. Surely half an hour is enough for a warmup?

    I don't think bellydancing needs to be graded professionally, but I understand that some people enjoy the challenge, discipline, and validation of a graded or pass/fail advancement/certification arrangement, so different strokes for different folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenc View Post
    i have asked a couple of teachers and the response was that "of course they choreographed their own solo dances. "I think you have to don't you" said one and "I dance improv in my kitchen"
    I think some people may hear your question of "did you choreograph your own solo dances" more as "did you [CREATE] your own solo dances". Thus someone who improvs solos may respond that yes, she "choreographed" it, when what she really means is that it's her own creation. The statement "I dance improv in my kitchen" may mean either that she doesn't consider her improv stage-worthy, or that she improvs a lot (and considers herself good at it).

    I'm not saying that these women did or didn't improv their solos, just that people aren't always accurate in how they use language to describe what they do, especially if they misunderstand the focus of the question. The answers you mentioned wouldn't really clear up the question, for me.

    Someone might ask me, "Did you buy a new coat?", and I might respond "Yes, I like it a lot better than my old one" (I'm focusing on the "new" part of the question, rather than the fact that the coat was a hand-me-down from a relative, not really a purchase).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandyt View Post
    When I book an instructor I ask them to should stick to the level they are teaching, unless everyone can't keep up but instructors are under press because student don't say I was in the wrong level workshop on there feedback forms they just moan that the teacher was bad.
    There are workshops with feedback forms? I've never been to one of those, not sure that's the best idea. I feel that the sponsor should participate in the workshop, and go by her own assessment. Or if she's running a multi-track workshop, she should be able to vouch for the teachers before she books them.

    Quote Originally Posted by mandyt View Post
    If you need to be super fit for a workshop add a Energy level or say you need a high level of fitness to attend this workshop. The truth always pays in the long run & it save a lot of moaning.
    Agreed. I have seen both of these, it only takes a few words to let people know whether they will be in weird positions or sweating buckets throughout. I may not register for such a workshop, or I might go and take long breaks, but I will NOT complain as long as it's correctly advertised. I did go to a workshop where I felt the teacher drilled a certain move to the point that people were sweaty and tired *just* so that we'd be sweaty and tired (because EVERYBODY got it right on the first try, so why choose that to drill us on to a ridiculous speed? We got so many other things Wrong, and we should have worked on those), and I do think that was lame and silly and I bitched about it, but that was only the 10th most lame thing that happened at the workshop. Yes, I am still pi$sy about it.

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    [QUOTE=da Sage;119481]There are workshops with feedback forms? I've never been to one of those, not sure that's the best idea. I feel that the sponsor should participate in the workshop, and go by her own assessment. Or if she's running a multi-track workshop, she should be able to vouch for the teachers before she books them.



    It is very difficult to participate when you are running 49 workshops over a weekend. I do my homework on all teachers but again this is difficult if they come from another country. I do put a hostess in every workshop so I can check what students write is correct. Feedback forms do work but it is best to ask how many years students have been dancing on the top of the form then you can see if a student just booked in to the wrong level. Teachers also like to have feedback good & bad so they know they are getting it right or if there are things they can improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da Sage View Post
    ...that was only the 10th most lame thing that happened at the workshop. Yes, I am still pi$sy about it.
    Aaaaand relax! Maybe we need a "things I am still pissy about" thread! Get it all off our gorgeously sequinned chests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by da Sage View Post
    I think some people may hear your question of "did you choreograph your own solo dances" more as "did you [CREATE] your own solo dances". Thus someone who improvs solos may respond that yes, she "choreographed" it, when what she really means is that it's her own creation. The statement "I dance improv in my kitchen" may mean either that she doesn't consider her improv stage-worthy, or that she improvs a lot (and considers herself good at it).

    I'm not saying that these women did or didn't improv their solos, just that people aren't always accurate in how they use language to describe what they do, especially if they misunderstand the focus of the question. The answers you mentioned wouldn't really clear up the question, for me.

    Someone might ask me, "Did you buy a new coat?", and I might respond "Yes, I like it a lot better than my old one" (I'm focusing on the "new" part of the question, rather than the fact that the coat was a hand-me-down from a relative, not really a purchase).
    No I specifically asked do you choreograph when you dance solo. The reply was to quote more accurately "I ONLY dance improv in my kitchen. No one has ever seen me do it." I have a very strong feeling that choreo is the norm here.

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    Wow JoY has 49 workshops. I REALLY don't know why I haven't been yet!!!. Aiming for April

    It is very difficult to participate when you are running 49 workshops over a weekend. I do my homework on all teachers but again this is difficult if they come from another country. I do put a hostess in every workshop so I can check what students write is correct. Feedback forms do work but it is best to ask how many years students have been dancing on the top of the form then you can see if a student just booked in to the wrong level. Teachers also like to have feedback good & bad so they know they are getting it right or if there are things they can improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenc View Post
    No I specifically asked do you choreograph when you dance solo. The reply was to quote more accurately "I ONLY dance improv in my kitchen. No one has ever seen me do it." I have a very strong feeling that choreo is the norm here.
    No, I do both and even my choreographed pieces are not set in stone and I may do what i feel like at the time and I know many UK teachers who work like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenc View Post
    Wow JoY has 49 workshops. I REALLY don't know why I haven't been yet!!!. Aiming for April
    You should come I am sure you wouls enjoy it. 17th & 18th April 2010.

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