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    The teacher so the kids can make friends and know that their school environment is friendly and safe. If you let kids pick they will end up licking the same people tp be partners with.

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    I haven't been dancing long, but I love my teacher. She's fun, inspiring, and a lovely dancer. She knows a great deal about different forms and styles, and is very approachable. There's another teacher at the same place that I just don't click with. I've seen some of her choreographies and I find them foolish, and I just don't click with her vibe. I don't plan to study with her.

    But another teacher will be starting soon, and I might check her out. I won't leave my current teacher, but if I click with the new one, I'd like to have the extra study.

    The one thing about my current teacher that I don't love is that she is overly encouraging. When she goes around the room after class telling everyone how awesome they are doing, it makes me discount any praise she gives me. I can't tell if I'm really doing something well, or she's just stroking my ego.

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    I don't really trust word of mouth when it comes to belly dance teachers because everyone wants different things. For example, if you happen to talk to me or any of my troupe members about my teacher, you'd hear nothing but good things from us but if you go to class, you may not like it because it's nothing but body conditioning and drills ala Suhaila Salimpour style. But we're into that so it's okay.

    What I usually do is ask if I can take a trial class or if I can pay for a drop in class (if it's a course you can ask if you can pay for the first class instead of the entire course) and see if you like her teaching style.

    And the video you posted is definitely not ATS. I have a pet peeve with ITS so I'll just stop here ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maria_harlequin View Post
    I don't really trust word of mouth when it comes to belly dance teachers because everyone wants different things. For example, if you happen to talk to me or any of my troupe members about my teacher, you'd hear nothing but good things from us but if you go to class, you may not like it because it's nothing but body conditioning and drills ala Suhaila Salimpour style. But we're into that so it's okay.

    What I usually do is ask if I can take a trial class or if I can pay for a drop in class (if it's a course you can ask if you can pay for the first class instead of the entire course) and see if you like her teaching style.

    And the video you posted is definitely not ATS. I have a pet peeve with ITS so I'll just stop here ...
    Why is that clip not ATS? Do you think that because it may be choreographed or because it is ITS and not strictly FCBD?
    I do understand the issues surrounding labels in tribal.
    The troupes I dnce with call themselves Tribal Fusion because although we use "ATS" moves and combinations from all the pioneering American Trbalists , we usually choreograph for performance.
    Don't stop there but do..start a thread..I'd be interested

    And to nderline what you sy about trying out a class, when I was working for myself the year before that I always charged for a coirse but would offer anyone a free try-out class before they commited. One of the colleges I worked for aslso allowed that on one or two occasions when a student came in mid course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizaj View Post
    Why is that clip not ATS? Do you think that because it may be choreographed or because it is ITS and not strictly FCBD?
    I do understand the issues surrounding labels in tribal.
    The troupes I dnce with call themselves Tribal Fusion because although we use "ATS" moves and combinations from all the pioneering American Trbalists , we usually choreograph for performance.
    Don't stop there but do..start a thread..I'd be interested

    And to nderline what you sy about trying out a class, when I was working for myself the year before that I always charged for a coirse but would offer anyone a free try-out class before they commited. One of the colleges I worked for aslso allowed that on one or two occasions when a student came in mid course.
    The moves they use are not pure ATS vocabulary. And whether a piece is choreographed or not does not determine if it's ATS, because FatChance belly dance choreographs some of their pieces depending on the venue. What the troupe in the video was doing was borrowing elements from Carolena Nericcio, the creator of ATS and throwing in Tribal Fusion moves (including one that I can see as one of Sharon Kihara's signature moves).

    In order to call what you're doing ATS you HAVE to be using ATS vocabulary, developed by Nericcio of FatChance (Tribal Pura). Not Blacksheep. Not Gypsy Caravan. Not Unmata. Anything else is either what people call ITS or just Tribal. These moves can be very similar (Blacksheep does a shimmy flatfooted, FatChance does it on relavae. Blacksheep uses both the right and left side, FatChance only works the right) but it does not not make them ATS format.

    I guess the term ATS, like "belly dance", has been thrown around so much that people equate anything in a 25-yard skirt and tassels to be ATS when it's done in a group and improvised. Like how Kleenex is a brand of tissues, but has become an umbrella term to describe all tissue brands out there. Not saying that I don't enjoy watching other troupes with their own thing going on (I love Blacksheep!) but credit should be given when deserved and if you're not using only ATS vocabulary, then don't call it ATS.



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    Quote Originally Posted by maria_harlequin View Post
    The moves they use are not pure ATS vocabulary. And whether a piece is choreographed or not does not determine if it's ATS, because FatChance belly dance choreographs some of their pieces depending on the venue. What the troupe in the video was doing was borrowing elements from Carolena Nericcio, the creator of ATS and throwing in Tribal Fusion moves (including one that I can see as one of Sharon Kihara's signature moves).

    In order to call what you're doing ATS you HAVE to be using ATS vocabulary, developed by Nericcio of FatChance (Tribal Pura). Not Blacksheep. Not Gypsy Caravan. Not Unmata. Anything else is either what people call ITS or just Tribal. These moves can be very similar (Blacksheep does a shimmy flatfooted, FatChance does it on relavae. Blacksheep uses both the right and left side, FatChance only works the right) but it does not not make them ATS format.

    I guess the term ATS, like "belly dance", has been thrown around so much that people equate anything in a 25-yard skirt and tassels to be ATS when it's done in a group and improvised. Like how Kleenex is a brand of tissues, but has become an umbrella term to describe all tissue brands out there. Not saying that I don't enjoy watching other troupes with their own thing going on (I love Blacksheep!) but credit should be given when deserved and if you're not using only ATS vocabulary, then don't call it ATS.



    What is ATS?
    Yes thanks for that but I did say I understood the issues and actually I don't see anywhere that the film is labelled ATS and the poster was sayng she wanted something close to as poss to ATS .
    AND I also said that although we do Carolena's moves, we don't call ourselves ATS because we choreo.
    There are now I suppose only those trained by FCBD who should be calling themselves ATS but it will take some time until people get out of the habit. I attended a workshop with other students who will mostly have assumed they were learning ATS moves and cues. I know to call it ITS (out of respect for Carolena) but they would be mostly confused. The teacher , a well known American refered to the moves differently but it will take a long time for people to refer to Improvisational Tribal Style routines other than by ATS and indeed they will use it to define between Tribal Fusion (inspired by Rachel Brice)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizaj View Post
    Yes thanks for that but I did say I understood the issues and actually I don't see anywhere that the film is labelled ATS and the poster was sayng she wanted something close to as poss to ATS .
    AND I also said that although we do Carolena's moves, we don't call ourselves ATS because we choreo.
    There are now I suppose only those trained by FCBD who should be calling themselves ATS but it will take some time until people get out of the habit. I attended a workshop with other students who will mostly have assumed they were learning ATS moves and cues. I know to call it ITS (out of respect for Carolena) but they would be mostly confused. The teacher , a well known American refered to the moves differently but it will take a long time for people to refer to Improvisational Tribal Style routines other than by ATS and indeed they will use it to define between Tribal Fusion (inspired by Rachel Brice)
    Someone posted earlier that they didn't know whether what they were doing in the video was ATS or ITS so I decided to clarify it for them.

    And I know you wrote that you clearly do not call what you're doing ATS and that you're also familiar with the issues, but I wrote what I did as general information for other readers as well that may not be able to distinguish between ATS and ITS and other similar forms. I'm sorry if it came out sounding like I was saying you didn't know the difference or what was going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maria_harlequin View Post
    Someone posted earlier that they didn't know whether what they were doing in the video was ATS or ITS so I decided to clarify it for them.

    And I know you wrote that you clearly do not call what you're doing ATS and that you're also familiar with the issues, but I wrote what I did as general information for other readers that may not be able to distinguish between ATS and ITS and other similar forms. I'm sorry if it came out sounding like I was saying you didn't know the difference or what was going on.
    I was bothered that you didn't say why it wasn't ATS in the post as well as giving the link. I was concerned that someone new just skimming the post would be very confused. I know I often miss links but then I have old eyes

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