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    Quote Originally Posted by samiagamal View Post
    hey shira! there was also someone else that did not recommend Pjs dvd
    can i ask you guys why?
    i watched it but i dont know anything about veils so what was bad about it?
    Let me start by saying that the video I saw was called Petite Jamila Tells Secrets of the Double Veil, and I got it in 2004. I've heard she has recently come out with another one, which I have not seen. So my comments are based on her first one.

    She's not a good teacher. The video will introduce a technique, and then show over-and-over slow motion footage of her performing that technique while voiceover tells what to do. The slow motion footage is kind of blurry, so you can't really see what she is doing.

    There's nothing about how to transition from one move to another.

    The instruction part is very short. And then there's a long thing about meditation. Now, I'm not opposed to people selling DVD's on meditation, but I don't think a double veil instructional video is the right place to put it. Especially since (if I recall correctly) the meditation part is just as long as the veil instruction.

    The performance section was done with multi-camera technique and the idiot who did the video editing must have had the attention span of a hamster that has just drunk two shots of espresso. He chopped it up with rapid-fire camera angle changes stupidly placed, so you can't even see what the dancer is doing. The beauty of double veli is that it flows, and the editing of that performance completely destroys it.

    I honestly can't tell you whether Petite Jamila is a good PERFORMER of double veil technique. Her BDSS endless spinning is just a novelty act, not dance, and her instructional video chops up her performance so badly that you can't even tell what her dancing is like.

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    The new one is pretty much the same. Its basically her performing a few moves, with a voiceover, if I remember correctly.

    Why do the editing guys do what they do? So many videos end up with flashes back and forth, then a solid shot of the dancer's face, then a bunch more back and forth.... The performance ends, and I'm left wondering "what the hell just happened?"

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    in the new one she goes through an upper body warm up - cameraman does closeups on her belly and head (sigh)


    warm up part 2 is spinning techniques and terminology

    she "taught" these spins: (more like demonstrated)
    paddle turn
    pivot turns
    cross step - she says this is the one she uses most frequently
    barrel turn- she only taught the type where you bend your torso towards the audience making a small backbend when your back is to the audience
    (i notice other teachers also teach the modifications where you can use your arms instead of your lower back)
    she went over the spotting after she went over turns
    then she went over a lunge spin where you are constantly switching directions

    then she goes over the veil techniques
    most of them are single veil techniques
    scoop
    pillar
    strut
    star
    wind
    unveiled- when you are between the veils
    floating skirt
    spiral
    blossom

    she does the moves with and without veils
    she does some combos too but they are not very good
    cool down
    oh and she does mention her veil material at some point
    performance- camera guy is terrible
    to her credit, she did some mayas, omis and a coupel of undulations before she started spinning!
    and she stopped spinning in the middle once for a couple of mayas and a chest circle!!
    that's all the dancing that was in that performance!

    i'l post a more comprehensive review on amazon, one day ahahah
    i dont know how different that is from the other one shira

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    Could you give me tips on how to get in between the veils? I always get tangled up. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheart99 View Post
    Does anyone have a video of a good double veil routine? I've been hearing and reading about this but never seen anyone perform it.

    YouTube - Kawakib Double Veil belly dance choreography

    This video has some really good transition from single to double. Very much a "Hey!! When did that get there?!?!"

    YouTube - Double veil / drum solo with MEISSOUN
    This is a very sweet little routine that shows a lot of what can be done with double veil. Since she's got 2 different colors, its easier to see than in the first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiradotnet View Post
    Yes, you certainly could make gores. I've done it. They take more sewing skill and also more fabric than piecing the curve, but they look better.
    Come to think of it, the very first half circles I ever used - for Alyne Hazard's class - were borrowed from a certain dance sister of both our acquaintance - and were made from gores. I'd forgotten about that...

    Oh, and the Mighty Siwa sez "Hello!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by npeterko View Post
    Could you give me tips on how to get in between the veils? I always get tangled up. Thanks.
    Ok, I'll bite. Teaching this technique by email/forum is sorta like teaching how to ride a bicycle by telephone - but I'll try.

    All beauty stripped from it: hold the veils stretched between your arms in front of you (both veils together with the usual triple-finger hold). Raise your arms so the veils are higher than eye level. Spread the holding fingers of your left hand so that you can see a "hole" or a gap between the two veils. Now simply put your right hand (still holding the veils) into that hole while raising your arms overhead. The veils "should" simply fall down around you as you lower your arms out and down.

    Most dancers prefer to hide this movement in a spin as it isn't particularly pretty. And yes, you can get tangled very easily. With experience, you'll learn how the veils "talk" to you - they'll tell you in the middle of this move if its going to work or not. If it isn't going to work - ABORT! Don't continue trying to get in when you know it isn't working, you'll end up with one veil wrapped around your head (ask me how I know this).

    But mostly, its just a LOT of nauseating practice...
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    What are gores?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alosha View Post
    What are gores?
    Pie-shaped wedges

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    I thought it was another prop!

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