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    Best performance: Suha Azar demonstrating her beautiful Oriental choreography in her workshop

    Worst performance: *Too* many, but one that springs to mind recently involves someone busting out of her bra with her thong clearly visible through her obscenely tight dress - and looking sooooooo pleased with herself, yeuch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharmine View Post
    Da Sage, I respectfully disagree. There is a difference between being naturally very skinny and setting out to look like a concentration camp survivor. (I grew up being called "Olive Oyl" because childhood malnourishment made me underweight.)

    And I respectfully point out that I did not claim this dancer was the worse I ever saw -- she was the worst I saw recently, meaning of recent performances I've viewed. A dancer's performance is more than about technical quality. This was a mature woman who, even if not anorexic, was so unnaturally and painfully thin that her appearance in a very skimpy outfit was disturbing by ANY standards, not just personal "taste" and so, IMHO, distracted from her performance.

    Yes, that's only my opinion (but also the opinion of many others in the audience, judging from the comments I overheard). and, yes, there is a small chance this dancer was horribly thin for some unfortunate reason that had nothing to do with deliberately starving herself.

    To be honest, I very much doubt it because people with, say a wasting disease or some unusual hereditary condition that causes them to look like walking skeletons (I am not exaggerating) don't normally put on a wispy outfit and dance vigorously in public.

    But you see it all the time with ballerinas, gymnasts, actresses and models
    This is not a matter of individual "taste," this is a health issue. A health issue that grimly stalks, among others, teen-age girls -- who think they aren't "pretty" unless their bones are sticking out at right angles like all the airbrushed models and actresses they see in the movies and magazines.

    If my comments had been made at any time and place that they would have reached this dancer's ears, yes, that would have been rude. Rudeness is meant to hurt, and I did not intend to hurt anyone. Nor have I. I have not identified the dancer, and I have deliberately kept vague any details that might identify her.

    I was troubled by this woman's performance because of her disturbing appearance. I've had friends who had this disease. and I've counseled kids who don't seem to believe me when I tell them what horrible things wanting to be that thin can do to them. I'm angered by a society that encourages this deadly and unnatural "ideal" of feminine beauty.

    That's what prompted me to comment, not a desire to be rude about someone's natural appearance.
    I apologize for my misunderstanding about your wording. I thought you were saying that you recently saw the worst performance of your experience, rather than simply describing the worst performance you'd seen recently.

    I appreciate your discretion in not talking about the performer's body where she or her friends could hear you. I don't think you're trying to be mean, but a naturally slender, long-armed dancer might read your post, and feel just as bad about her body as I would, if I read a post about a dancer with "a belly that shook like a sow's".

    And do keep in mind that the internet is a small place. My personal respect for a talented local dancer went into the toilet last month, when I saw a comment she posted about plus-sizes. So never fool yourself that you are having a completely private conversation, if you are having it online!

    I share your concerns about food and body obsession. I have known three women well enough to determine that they were anorexic - and in all three cases, they constantly covered themselves in layers of clothing. Typically I assume that a skinny woman who displays her body in a skimpy outfit is either naturally thin, or just heavily (and yes, perhaps unhealthily) into figure control (unless she works professionally in entertainment, or is a ballet dancer - those communities tend to screw with your head). My opinion is that real anorexics can rarely bring themselves to expose their bodies at all.

    I see lots of skinny girls in skimpy outfits, and I think it's a reflection of society's prejudice against fleshy women - if a size 8 wears hot pants and a tube top, some idiot will make fun of her for being too "fat" for the outfit (even if she's mostly muscle). Only women who are size 4 or smaller, with no breasts or butt to speak of, can wear these clothes without receiving the "too fat" label. So it's only natural that the ethereally slim and the painfully skinny sometimes wear next to nothing. They are the only women for whom it's an real choice.
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    Idea Constructive Criticism

    How about not label any dance the best and the worst? Why not just use constructive criticism, so not to discourage people.

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    Well, the problem with any kind of criticism is that somebody is bound to feel offended about someone else's observations and opinions no matter how carefully put, no matter how many facts may bear out against emotion.

    But it does appear that for some the physical appearance of a dancer is a real landmine of a topic and maybe this thread, to stay reasonable, should focus solely on technique.

    That's my recommendation, but as I don't have the expertise to get into that I will bow out of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabi View Post
    Anorexia is a pimple on a nats arse compared to the disease of obesity.
    People die of complications of both of these problems. It is a strange thing, though- society is far more likely to attach moral judgements to health issues that have to do with weight than they are to problems like lupus or MS, as if an individual who must struggle with a weight related disorder is somehow weak or inferior to those who don't have the problem. It adds one more layer of angony to a struggle that no sane person would wish upon herself or anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post
    People die of complications of both of these problems. It is a strange thing, though- society is far more likely to attach moral judgements to health issues that have to do with weight than they are to problems like lupus or MS, as if an individual who must struggle with a weight related disorder is somehow weak or inferior to those who don't have the problem. It adds one more layer of angony to a struggle that no sane person would wish upon herself or anyone else.
    Zzzzzactly - and this of course is also true of anyone with any problem involving psychological issues. It is very unfortunate.

    It's bad enough we all get and are susceptible to this at large; I really wish women would try to be more careful not to use their own slant of the issues to make judgements of those with the opposite slant.

    Just to keep this a little on target

    My view - I've seen dancers that people have called wicked names on both ends of the spectrum who have been absolutely delightful and most of them perfectly healthy. It's the DANCE ability that counts. Even if a dancer is struggling with issues of anorexia or obesity that would hopefully be viewed with an open mind (and without pre-judgment in the abscence of direct knowledge) and the understanding that those dancers may benefit from doing and performing our dance even more than most who would generally be considered more attractive and healthy appearing.

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    My "least favorite" performances seem to revolve around one theme -- a poor fusion of Middle Eastern "cabaret" and ballet/modern/ballroom/jazz whatever western dance.

    Maybe I'm just obstinate in my old age, but most of what I've seen in this genre just fails miserably. I want to ask these women, "what was your theme? what was your goal? What were you trying to say?" but then I don't want to get involved in a long discussion about how I don't understand and appreciate their "art" (a la any discussion from Bhuz regarding last year's Rakkassa.)

    Oddly enough, I can appreciate and enjoy a lot of Tribal fusions -- maybe because those dancers typically fuse in East Indian or Central Asian and that makes more sense to me. Dalia Carella and Amaya come to mind as some of the better artists in that vein.

    The best performances are those I've seen live. I only wish I could have seen Nadia Gamal live. Sigh...

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    Big Grin

    The best performances are always when it's a group of women, they go on just before me, have very long hair, and do lots of those arcing head movements where their hair sweeps back and forth across the floor. Yes! Thanks ladies! Sweep the floor for mahty mahty Ri-co!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recnadocir View Post
    The best performances are always when it's a group of women, they go on just before me, have very long hair, and do lots of those arcing head movements where their hair sweeps back and forth across the floor. Yes! Thanks ladies! Sweep the floor for mahty mahty Ri-co!
    And this happens how often?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniseteph View Post
    And this happens how often?
    In my imagination, it happens every time. Then after I strike my final pose, they all come back on stage and fan me with palm fronds while chanting: "We got-a Ri-co, mahty mahty Ri-co!"

    In reality, the floor sweep thing has happened a couple of times. The fanning and chanting, not yet. But I'm the eternal optimist!

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