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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshta View Post
    It looks like a very wide legged "hip drop kick", followed by shimmies.
    hi eshta yea at last i know it's name. i appreciate your help sweety

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mara2 View Post
    I see which video you mean now. She is pushing the hip FORWARDS and gravity is pushing it back to it's original position. She's doing this with her leg. It's hard to explain online, but basically she is using the leg that is pointed outwards to do the movement. I don't know what it's called though. My teacher didn't speak very good English. One dancer I talked with, we talked about how all the hip movements used to be forward, not pushing hips backwards, and she called them flutters, but I don't think that's right. Sorry I'm no help on the name of it.
    dear mara thank you a lot. i think eshta got the name right it is " hip drop kick" i found it on youtube. eshta is a good teacher indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharis View Post
    It's a hip drop with a leg kick, known sometimes in the UK as a 'swerve'. She's leaning backwards slightly so it appears that the move is pushing forwards, which is what she may be doing. The kicking leg releases the hip, so that the hip can also twist backwards slightly during the movement... hence the term, 'swerve'. A basic movement and one which is taught quite early on.

    As with nearly all Shakira's movements, she's over extending and exaggerating the movement so it takes on a whole new look and has more energy. But when a dancer does this, there can be injuries. So her way of executing this move is perhaps not for beginners.
    dear kharis thanx 4 ur info. it is a very classic move in bellydance and i like it a lot

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    You know nobody is sayng Shakira can't belly dance. She has been taught (by Bozenka ...am I right?) but it's this business of holding her up as being so brilliant which she isn't. She's making use of belly dance in music shows. No problem there . The point I would make, at the risk of dragging this on, is that SHE doesn't market herself as a belly dancer but a singer who can belly dance . I don't believe that this is just because she did social dancing with a Lebanese grand ma . This will have made it easier for her , than say a dancer brought up with the sounds of Elvis, Johnny Cash, The Beatles, Led Zepplen all round her. She can belly dance adequately because she bothered to get tuition. She looks good doing it because she just plain -looks good. But put her performances up against a full time professional belly dancer and she will pale..and I don't suppose she would expect anythng else.
    And this business of accusing people of being "jellous haters" that comes up everytime we critique a performer ...of course we do get people who fly in post a nasty comment then pi$$ off...but mostly it's experience of something better and knowledge of the real thing that eminates from Egypt you get here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizaj View Post
    You know nobody is sayng Shakira can't belly dance. She has been taught (by Bozenka ...am I right?) but it's this business of holding her up as being so brilliant which she isn't. She's making use of belly dance in music shows. No problem there . The point I would make, at the risk of dragging this on, is that SHE doesn't market herself as a belly dancer but a singer who can belly dance . I don't believe that this is just because she did social dancing with a Lebanese grand ma . This will have made it easier for her , than say a dancer brought up with the sounds of Elvis, Johnny Cash, The Beatles, Led Zepplen all round her. She can belly dance adequately because she bothered to get tuition. She looks good doing it because she just plain -looks good. But put her performances up against a full time professional belly dancer and she will pale..and I don't suppose she would expect anythng else.
    And this business of accusing people of being "jellous haters" that comes up everytime we critique a performer ...of course we do get people who fly in post a nasty comment then pi$$ off...but mostly it's experience of something better and knowledge of the real thing that eminates from Egypt you get here.
    She has the moves... but I cringe sometimes at her bone yanking ferocity of style and know, just know that some young kid is gonna try and copy that off You Tube and do themselves an injury. Shakira is to hitting one'self over the head with a hammer as Fifi is to having your head caressed with loving fingertips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kharis View Post
    She has the moves... but I cringe sometimes at her bone yanking ferocity of style and know, just know that some young kid is gonna try and copy that off You Tube and do themselves an injury. Shakira is to hitting one'self over the head with a hammer as Fifi is to having your head caressed with loving fingertips.
    Exactly and she will use those moves and if you like "Rock n' Roll 'em up".
    I think to label her Egyptian style is er.....

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    And I am sure she is pleased she has prompted young things to take up the dance but equally she will not look upon herself as an instructor.
    Frankly to make her what she isn't is to do her a mis-service.

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    As a newbie myself, I wanted to share a bit of perspective with the board.

    The belly dance community seems very insular. Coming from the outside, as I have, it's very intimidating to see these arguments about authenticity.

    I have seen these sort of discussion in many other communities, so I did not allow myself to be scared away. To someone who has no such experience, though, it would be very off putting.

    When I find myself becoming angry about misinformation newcomers to the activities I have been involved in, I try to remind myself that their enthusiasm should be encouraged. Yes, it's important to present the facts, but try to do it nicely.

    Without new participants, any art form will stagnate. Scaring away that new blood is a disservice to the dance.

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    I agree there is no reason to scare anyone away....but why is this so big an objection in dance (or at least this dance) as opposed to other disciplines? If someone went into a karate class and started throwing in fingernail scratching or boxing techniques into sparring, or someone went to a poetry writing class and wrote in complete sentences and paragraphs, or someone took a course on Japanese tea ceremony and wanted to serve potato chips as part of it, these "fusions" would be immediately pointed out as not part of the core tradition by the instructor.

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    Geez who's scaring people away. If people ask qestions, they'll get answers and hey they may not like them. If I had a pound (dollar) for everytime I got shot down because I came out with misconceptions in my early days of belly dance, I could sort out the banking system. Hey I'm still here...learning.
    If someone is new to belly dance, no one is going to take the P if they get things wrong.
    But I do get irritated by those who come out with crapola year after year and continue to disrepect the origin and heritage of this dance . They've usually found a theory that suits them and boy, they won't be told.
    Of course we can still learn to be competant dancers without gong to Egypt but we can't learn it unless we make an effort and go to reputable teachers. The opportunity to study with "native" dancer/teachers has never been so good. And the same goes for tribal style..great tuition from visiting American teachers and good quality DVDS.
    This thread was started as being about "Egyptian" style and it turned out to be about Shakira so folks are surprised when there was some disagreement.
    In the final anaysis and considering welcomes to new members..this is a discussion forum. I come here to learn, to discuss and the words "heat" and "kitchen" spring to mind.

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