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    Default specific dancers who have great technique & feeling too

    You asked which dancers? For awesome technique AND dancing with feeling I always think of Dahlena. She's the right blend of "American" classic dance technique and Middle Eastern Dance.
    The tricky part is other styles of bellydance have their own technique that might not mesh with what we think of as "dance technique" so it's kind of like the old apples & oranges thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by staranise View Post
    the Suhaila / Sadie perfect layering thing can also be compared to photorealism in the Art world.
    Brilliant analogy. Exactly.

    (Sorry I missed this when you originally posted it.)

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    Hmmm...my take on using art to compare it to belly dance and techniques associated with it is that photo realistic art can STILL have plenty of expression. I'm not talking about art that's so realistic you think it's a photograph because what's the point of that? But I hope no one thinks that expressive and GOOD art is paint splatters on a canvas ala Jackson Pollock. I know I'm going to be opening up a can of worms on this especially with art students but I find a lot of the so called "expressive" and "genius" artists not to be artists at all and what what they're creating isn't art either...even if it may seem aesthetically pleasing like a good design. Yes, my view on what is art and isn't art may seem incredibly limiting to some like my view of belly dance. I'm a big supporter of the Art Renewal Center and Good Art websites and both of them reflect my views on what is good art, bad art, and what isn't art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maria_harlequin View Post
    I'm a big supporter of the Art Renewal Center and Good Art websites and both of them reflect my views on what is good art, bad art, and what isn't art.
    Wow, those are really interesting sites. Thank you for posting them! I haven't had a chance to read through them very much, so I don't have an opinion on what they advocate, but I am looking forward to it!

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    Ah, poor Jackson Pollack comes in for so much criticism. Actually, I am fascinated by his stuff. One of my teachers (yep, an art teacher) pointed out that to appreciate some forms of art a person needs a particular type of education. I thought it was nonsense at the time, but as I've learned more, I've appreciated more. Sort of tics me off that ol' Richard was right, because I didn't like him, but I have to give the devil his due.

    I think we're wandering off on a tangent if not completely off topic. That's fine with me prsonally, but as moderator I am forced to drop a tiny hint about staying on point and maybe starting a new thread about this fascinating side road into "What is Art?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanazel View Post
    Ah, poor Jackson Pollack comes in for so much criticism. Actually, I am fascinated by his stuff. One of my teachers (yep, an art teacher) pointed out that to appreciate some forms of art a person needs a particular type of education. I thought it was nonsense at the time, but as I've learned more, I've appreciated more. Sort of tics me off that ol' Richard was right, because I didn't like him, but I have to give the devil his due.

    I think we're wandering off on a tangent if not completely off topic. That's fine with me prsonally, but as moderator I am forced to drop a tiny hint about staying on point and maybe starting a new thread about this fascinating side road into "What is Art?"
    I'm sorry if I was wandering off topic! I just wanted to emphasize on the fact that just because you use A LOT of technique doesn't mean that it takes away from expressing yourself.

    And my last post about this...I took classes on modern art in college and learned all about the Modernist movement, DADA, Pollock, Picasso and what was the reasoning behind what they did...and I even had to do a few modern art pieces myself. I do appreciate the reasoning behind it all and I even said to this to my peers that always found me a hard core "Realist". I appreciate it but I in no way do I find it to be art...Pollock's work would make pretty wrapping paper and it's an interesting design, but it's not art to me. Art to me isn't "art is everything" and has very specific boundaries...just like belly dancing.
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    Dear all,

    sorry for any confusion caused but I have just made two separate threads out of the posts that were here before. The Posts centred on Art are now in the off-topic section here: http://www.bellydanceforums.net/off-...tml#post137137


    Maria's posts on Suhaila now has a separate thread here: http://www.bellydanceforums.net/inst...reography.html

    I apologise again but making two thread out of interconnecting posts is very fiddly.
    any problems or concerns please feel free to pm me.

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    ...to me that technique makes me free to express myself.

    It is as if it makes the body ready to do anything the mind and heart wish in relation to the music.

    Maybe I am too addicted to the music, which means the music creates my dance.

    The more I work with music, the more technique I need. And the more I train myself, the more technique is needed to express the tiniest of feelings and music details.

    Therefore, it is possible that there is not any contradiction between technique and feeling, maybe they are bound together.

    On the other hand, I would never criticize any dancer or any artist that prefers one to the other (technique to feeling or vice versa). I accept they approach, but yes, I always like artists who combine both, or actually who are so technically skilled that they pay attention to their feelings only!! But this is a matter of taste...

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