Suha Deeb in concert
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Mark_Balahadia
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Finally, there is a clip of Suha on youtube. It's about time! Now everyone knows what I am talking about Suha being amazing. Mashallah ya3ne hiyye kteer 7elwe.
Caroline_afifi
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Hi Mark,
she is just fab!! lol
she is just fab!! lol
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lizaj
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No Mark you will have to explain the amazing and the vintage.
I can see aspects of the Golden Age dancers in the arms (although at times they seem over-active) and that wide stance is not appealing.
There seems to be confusion as to what kind of vintage. Are we talking Egyptian, American,Lebanese from 40+years ago? I had assumed Lebanese but the Bhuz thread left me confused and Meissoun who has studied the style did bot recognise it.
:think:
I can see aspects of the Golden Age dancers in the arms (although at times they seem over-active) and that wide stance is not appealing.
There seems to be confusion as to what kind of vintage. Are we talking Egyptian, American,Lebanese from 40+years ago? I had assumed Lebanese but the Bhuz thread left me confused and Meissoun who has studied the style did bot recognise it.
:think:
Mark_Balahadia
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There's a difference between "old school" and "new school" Lebanese. "Old school" has a lot in common with Classic Egyptian, hence the "vintage" look to it. Meissoun learned Modern Lebanese, which was influenced by Nadia Jamal.
Sorry you guys don't get it. Maybe it's because you guys are not use to this older style? I made an explaination on Bhuz. You can check there.
Sorry you guys don't get it. Maybe it's because you guys are not use to this older style? I made an explaination on Bhuz. You can check there.
Caroline_afifi
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it was just great! lol
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masrawy
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ya bahym ..
Nonsense .. she didn't produce this lonely clip until her back was pushed all the way against the wall !! after too much hype from her and her surrogates
It was " Put up or shut up " she set the bar way too high for herself and she shouldn't expect to be treated any special because she's not special .. she is not even close simply put she overrated herself .. and found couple of follower to promote her talking point
There is more to her than the eye can see .. you just need to open your eyes!! She is not the best thing since they invented the white bread.
Besides, if the bread become vintage .. it's nothing but a feed for " el bahym ":doh:
Nonsense .. she didn't produce this lonely clip until her back was pushed all the way against the wall !! after too much hype from her and her surrogates
It was " Put up or shut up " she set the bar way too high for herself and she shouldn't expect to be treated any special because she's not special .. she is not even close simply put she overrated herself .. and found couple of follower to promote her talking point
There is more to her than the eye can see .. you just need to open your eyes!! She is not the best thing since they invented the white bread.
Besides, if the bread become vintage .. it's nothing but a feed for " el bahym ":doh:
Shanazel
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Now, wait a minute, Mahmoud, I'm vintage, and you'd better not go trying to feed me to el bahym or chickens or fish or anything else.
Suggesting people dislike a particular performance because they don't understand vintage styles is a lot like the writer who claims her work is never published because it is too literary for the general public. I am familiar with older styles because they interest me and because I stick to old style myself.
Some aspects of Suha's performance are very appealing, specifically her beautiful sways and torso articulations. Her aggressive arm movements and stance overwhelm these lovely movements, and it might serve her well to tone down these things in favor of a more balanced presentation.
This particular performance was not what I expected, but Suha's dancing was praised in the past as "genius" by a person whom I admire greatly. Beauty co-exists in this video with awkwardness, and I persist in thinking Suha is capable of a truly lovely presentation.
Suggesting people dislike a particular performance because they don't understand vintage styles is a lot like the writer who claims her work is never published because it is too literary for the general public. I am familiar with older styles because they interest me and because I stick to old style myself.
Some aspects of Suha's performance are very appealing, specifically her beautiful sways and torso articulations. Her aggressive arm movements and stance overwhelm these lovely movements, and it might serve her well to tone down these things in favor of a more balanced presentation.
This particular performance was not what I expected, but Suha's dancing was praised in the past as "genius" by a person whom I admire greatly. Beauty co-exists in this video with awkwardness, and I persist in thinking Suha is capable of a truly lovely presentation.
masrawy
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wishfulthinking
Fair enough Shanazel .. now there is serious contender not just someone posting hype and amazingly runaway when someone calls him on it. If the thread is OD and Mark comment made here than why one discuss it somewhere else!! I guess they can censor peoples thoughts in Bhuz if they don't confirm to their agenda of promoting an imitator who is not even good at imitating.
It shows very well in this clip she's all over the place trying very hard. Unfortunately, she does not have it plain and simple whatever it is !!
Just wishfulthinking in her part ..
Of course, will not feed you to el bahym you did not make the kind of claims she have been making nor you have "Lesan zay el far2lah" and you don't treat people like sh ..
Fair enough Shanazel .. now there is serious contender not just someone posting hype and amazingly runaway when someone calls him on it. If the thread is OD and Mark comment made here than why one discuss it somewhere else!! I guess they can censor peoples thoughts in Bhuz
if they don't confirm to their agenda of promoting an imitator who is not even good at imitating.It shows very well in this clip she's all over the place trying very hard. Unfortunately, she does not have it plain and simple whatever it is !!
Just wishfulthinking in her part ..
Of course, will not feed you to el bahym you did not make the kind of claims she have been making nor you have "Lesan zay el far2lah" and you don't treat people like sh ..
Shanazel
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I'm glad I'm not going to be dinner for anything, but you lost me here:
Elucidate, please? :think:
now there is serious contender not just someone posting hype and amazingly runaway when someone calls him on it. If the thread is OD and Mark comment made here than why one discuss it somewhere else!! I guess they can censor peoples thoughts in Bhuz
Elucidate, please? :think:
lizaj
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Hi Everyone,
Regarding the wide stance: the video is stretched a little! Also a lot of movements done by Tahia Carioca and Samia Jamal involved a wide stance (especially the signature movement of Tahia's, the forward hip circle).
Meissoun, maybe the reason you don't get this style is because you may not be use to seeing this classical style done by anyone nowadays? There is almost no one doing this style except Suha. This clip of her concert is very classic, vintage, and yet all her own.
Also if you look carefully, Suha does have a large repertoire of steps and moves. She tends to use certain ones more than others but I can probably point out at least 10 without even looking at the clip again.
Concerning her arms, they are very reminiscent of the 1940s Egyptian Cinema. I don't think they are at all busy. They "work" with the music. I think a lot of modern belly dance involves framing movements with the arms versus using the arms musically.
Hope that helps!
Mark B.
As Mark didn't want to repeat himself I brought him comment over form Bhuz.
The wide stance is explained by a stretching of the video
Hands were busier in the vintage "era"..I think that s true to a certain extent but there are degrees and there is also the way these are used.
To me, Suha Deeb is trying to lay over certain indicators of a "vintage style" but these appear to be applied in a clumsy way.
How can these work with the music when the music is not the music?!
I think dancers are most successful when they "are themselves" and not trying to revive something from a past era when society has moved on. But if you do try to recreate anything historical you need all the parts: the orchestra,the music,the costume, all the moves, the vibes and atmosphere as best you can create it.
I went to a workshop recently with Eman Zaki (the costumier). She and her sister learnt from their mother and teachers of the era and they never changed that style when they went off to perform in the Gulf States(?) . So when she danced for us in the style of Samia, it made you want to cry..it was so beautiful ,so reminiscent. She encapsulated the era.
From the Suha clip ( and yes seeing anything that well from a Youtube clip is not ideal) I could not identify what she was trying to achieve but I did ask and so far got no clear answer except where Mark mentions the "Golden Age" dancers and I don't think if that is the case she is that successful especially not having seen Eman.
So Mark far from "not getting it", I ( and I would assume plenty others here) have a reasonable idea of what we expect from a dancer emulating Samia et al.
I wouldn't however have a clue about Lebanese dancers pre-Nadia, having only seen the likes of Samara, Amani on film.
Nor would I have any more than a sketchy idea of Turkish "vintage" dancing.
Regarding the wide stance: the video is stretched a little! Also a lot of movements done by Tahia Carioca and Samia Jamal involved a wide stance (especially the signature movement of Tahia's, the forward hip circle).
Meissoun, maybe the reason you don't get this style is because you may not be use to seeing this classical style done by anyone nowadays? There is almost no one doing this style except Suha. This clip of her concert is very classic, vintage, and yet all her own.
Also if you look carefully, Suha does have a large repertoire of steps and moves. She tends to use certain ones more than others but I can probably point out at least 10 without even looking at the clip again.
Concerning her arms, they are very reminiscent of the 1940s Egyptian Cinema. I don't think they are at all busy. They "work" with the music. I think a lot of modern belly dance involves framing movements with the arms versus using the arms musically.
Hope that helps!
Mark B.
As Mark didn't want to repeat himself I brought him comment over form Bhuz.
The wide stance is explained by a stretching of the video
Hands were busier in the vintage "era"..I think that s true to a certain extent but there are degrees and there is also the way these are used.
To me, Suha Deeb is trying to lay over certain indicators of a "vintage style" but these appear to be applied in a clumsy way.
How can these work with the music when the music is not the music?!
I think dancers are most successful when they "are themselves" and not trying to revive something from a past era when society has moved on. But if you do try to recreate anything historical you need all the parts: the orchestra,the music,the costume, all the moves, the vibes and atmosphere as best you can create it.
I went to a workshop recently with Eman Zaki (the costumier). She and her sister learnt from their mother and teachers of the era and they never changed that style when they went off to perform in the Gulf States(?) . So when she danced for us in the style of Samia, it made you want to cry..it was so beautiful ,so reminiscent. She encapsulated the era.
From the Suha clip ( and yes seeing anything that well from a Youtube clip is not ideal) I could not identify what she was trying to achieve but I did ask and so far got no clear answer except where Mark mentions the "Golden Age" dancers and I don't think if that is the case she is that successful especially not having seen Eman.
So Mark far from "not getting it", I ( and I would assume plenty others here) have a reasonable idea of what we expect from a dancer emulating Samia et al.
I wouldn't however have a clue about Lebanese dancers pre-Nadia, having only seen the likes of Samara, Amani on film.
Nor would I have any more than a sketchy idea of Turkish "vintage" dancing.
Caroline_afifi
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My final say on this matter is this is marvelous!! lol
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Mark_Balahadia
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I loved the performance. And plenty other people have as well. And because of this performance Suha has been getting tons of exposure from Lebanese media.
Maybe this is just a matter of taste with those who did not like Suha dancing. I went to Lebanon to meet her because of her style and that is why I hosted her twice in Washington, DC.
For example, everyone seems to LOVE Randa Kamal but her dancing has never appealed to me.
Maybe this is just a matter of taste with those who did not like Suha dancing. I went to Lebanon to meet her because of her style and that is why I hosted her twice in Washington, DC.
For example, everyone seems to LOVE Randa Kamal but her dancing has never appealed to me.
masrawy
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Are you kidding me!!
Mark, this is not about like and dislike. I guess, it's good for business but when you " Tenfokha " like a balloon what you two don't realize is .. it might blow up in your face. :naghty:
Are you kidding me!! What media exposure .. you mean the self-promotion she has been doing all ovr!!
Please , I didn't know you're funny too!! :lol:
Mark, this is not about like and dislike. I guess, it's good for business but when you " Tenfokha " like a balloon what you two don't realize is .. it might blow up in your face. :naghty:
Are you kidding me!! What media exposure .. you mean the self-promotion she has been doing all ovr!!
Please , I didn't know you're funny too!! :lol:
Aniseteph
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:think: Did someone say it had got stretched in YouTube?
I just watched it again, and am wondering if maybe that explains some of the why her arms look busy. I saw a clip once which was obviously distorted and when the dancer put her arms out to the sides it was positively scary - huge hands, and any movement gave a sort of mad flappy windmill effect. :shok:
A subtler distortion might just over-emphasise the arms and make them look a bit odd, without you realising why.
I know zip about vintage Lebanese style or the hype and arguments - just the way her arms looked at a couple of places really reminded me of that scary arms clip.
I just watched it again, and am wondering if maybe that explains some of the why her arms look busy. I saw a clip once which was obviously distorted and when the dancer put her arms out to the sides it was positively scary - huge hands, and any movement gave a sort of mad flappy windmill effect. :shok:
A subtler distortion might just over-emphasise the arms and make them look a bit odd, without you realising why.
I know zip about vintage Lebanese style or the hype and arguments - just the way her arms looked at a couple of places really reminded me of that scary arms clip.
Shanazel
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Look at the placement of her feet with respect to shoulders and hips- stretched by video or not, I'd categorize this as a wide stance. And compare Suha's arms with the following clip of Samia Gamal who uses her arms freely without distracting from her dance. I can see what Suha is trying to do here, but it need to be a bit more subtle.
YouTube - Samia Gamal - Saidi
YouTube - Samia Gamal - Saidi
masrawy
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is not her fault .. that's what God gave her!!
Okay folks .. I really didn't want to dissect her here while she still alive, you are bending my arm!!
The reason you see this issue with arms is because her lower body bulk does not match her upper body. Like the names she's trying to imitate .. if you look closely size are way too heavy for her upper body/arms. Even her calfs is loaded with cellulite of course this is not her fault is just in her genes. Her Badala does not help either .. she almost squatting not nice at all that does not do much for her handicapped that nature/her mother gave her. A lot of Lebanese have this problem ... fortunately not all of them strive to be the one and only raqasat el shaq wel garb .. blah blah blah.
So please .. please refrain from comparing her to Samia Gamal .. it's not fair to her!! and I take it as an insult to the Egyptian legend!!
There is no comparison .. just go back to her footage in you will see those mammoth thigh&Calfs.
Okay folks .. I really didn't want to dissect her here while she still alive, you are bending my arm!!
The reason you see this issue with arms is because her lower body bulk does not match her upper body. Like the names she's trying to imitate .. if you look closely size are way too heavy for her upper body/arms. Even her calfs is loaded with cellulite of course this is not her fault is just in her genes. Her Badala does not help either .. she almost squatting not nice at all that does not do much for her handicapped that nature/her mother gave her. A lot of Lebanese have this problem ... fortunately not all of them strive to be the one and only raqasat el shaq wel garb .. blah blah blah.
So please .. please refrain from comparing her to Samia Gamal .. it's not fair to her!! and I take it as an insult to the Egyptian legend!!
There is no comparison .. just go back to her footage in you will see those mammoth thigh&Calfs.
Shanazel
Moderator
Sweetie, I'm not comparing anyone to Samia Gamal, who I personally think is incomparable. I used Samia's performance as an example of what I think Suha is emulating with her arm work. Suha has the general idea of oldfashioned armwork, but (at least in this clip) not the subtle airy grace attained by Samia.
Relative size of a person's calves and thighs is a matter of personal taste and really has little to do with how a dancer performs. As the possessor of substantial thighs and calves, I feel obligated to tell you that your taste in women's anatomy is not, thank God, universal. My husband, a man of infinite good taste, thinks Suha and I are sexy as hell.
Relative size of a person's calves and thighs is a matter of personal taste and really has little to do with how a dancer performs. As the possessor of substantial thighs and calves, I feel obligated to tell you that your taste in women's anatomy is not, thank God, universal. My husband, a man of infinite good taste, thinks Suha and I are sexy as hell.
taheya
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I must say I really enjoyed this clip of Suha. I like her musicality and absorbtion in the music. Her performance had me glued for that reason. She may not of been doing an intricate choreo and her arm movements may not be modern and what we are used to seeing but her musicality was compulsive viewing.
lizaj
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For those of us who still don't get it, can you explain(not just state) why you like the performance..this particular performance not Suha in general because this is what we are discussing. Why this is classed as "Vintage" and what "vintage" we are talking about?
I am not not interested in the shape of her calf rather her desire to emulate dancers of legend.
I know many folks do seem to like the performance and I do not dislike it in entirity ; there is an admirable confident energy but I dislike the wide stance and over busy hands. There was such an easy and joyous message behind Samia's dancing and this is not what I get here.
You can pick a few pieces of different fruit but they don't always make a full fruit bowl when you arrange them nor do they always look appetising.
Physically though, costume -wise I have to say I think she looks good , darling boys