Belly dancers required

[byjove]

Hi All,

Genesis Events W.L.L based in Bahrain is hiring a Belly dancer with two backing musicians (keyboardist who can play & sing Arabic songs and a percussionist) to start in February 2011 for a 6 month contract.4 sets of 45 minutes(belly dancer does 2 sets of 30min per night), Visa,Return airfare,Food & Accomodation provided. Compensation between US$ 50 – 100 per day/artist

Offer closes within a week.Interested artists/agencies to email immediately to

Joe Verghese
Managing Director
Genesis Events W.L.L.
P.O Box 2246, Kingdom Of Bahrain.
Mobile:+973 39806954 / 39075250
Landline :+973 17 231120
E-mail: joeverghese62@gmail.com
joe@genesisbh.com
Web.: http:// :- Genesis Events -::- Redifining Music & Entertainment -:

 

[Darshiva]

Please tell me you're joking. You wouldn't get me into my practice clothes for that amount, much less into full costume with all the bells & whistles.

This looks like a scam to me, something designed to tempt the ill-advised.

If you are serious you might want to make your 'daily stipend' the rate per set.I still don't think you'll get anyone at that rate either, but you'd be approaching the ballpark of what a dancer is actually worth.

 

[~Diana~]

Ouch. We charge $150 for a 15 minute performance.

 

[Salome]

Just wanted to pop in and mention that what one is paid for a salaried dance position and what one is paid for a one time show are two different things. A salary is never calculated off of what your one time show rate would be. All expenses paid, and three thousand monthly salary is decent.

 

[LadyLoba]

Just out of Curiosity...

How much is reasonable to expect to be paid for a one time show? How long would the performance last, and how much would the dancer earn?

This is not important and is just for my information....I studied a little last year, and re-started this year....and I am in my fourth WEEK of study...and I'm a hobbyist, not training to be a professional dancer...so there is no way I'm going to be dancing in front of people, never mind charging anyone. I just ask because this thread brought it to mind, and because I read the book "Snake Hips" by Anne Soffee where she speaks of getting a hand full of paying gigs for amounts of like $50 and $100.

I suppose that's "a lot" for someone who is only technically a professional in that they've been paid to do something, but has another field as their main career....at the time she was writing the book she was working full time as a writer....writing her manuscript and teaching English/writing to teens in the juvenile justice system and only took paid belly dance jobs here and there more to be performing than to make a living.

But if you were a true professional....someone who worked to make your living full time as a belly dancer, or who had two careers they devoted themselves to equally...and one of them was belly dance....considering all the money, time, and energy you would have put into all the training, costumes, etc...$50 and $100 for a performance would sound more like nothing.

 

[Darshiva]

Just wanted to pop in and mention that what one is paid for a salaried dance position and what one is paid for a one time show are two different things. A salary is never calculated off of what your one time show rate would be. All expenses paid, and three thousand monthly salary is decent.

I didn't see any indication that it was an all-expenses paid position. If so, that changes my position somewhat - I would probably expect somewhere closer to the $500/day mark for what would essentially be a full-time job in dance.

I don't think I'm being divaish in expecting the compensation I ask in return for all the hard work I put in. If I was offered $50-$100 US a day for 3 hours of performance time, I'd wear my street clothes, no makeup and no rehearsal. If someone isn't willing to pay me for the hours that go into this before the stage part, then they get what they pay for - the stage part alone with no prep on my part.

From what I can see, this is 'here's $50, maybe more if I like you, to buy everything you need and then come perform for me.'

This is a topic dear to my heart. My apologies if I am getting too "excitable" about it.

 

[Shakti]

How weird is it to call an airline to ask for a one way ticket to a mid east country. Most countries will not even allow you to enter with out a return ticket. Note he taughts a return ticket not round trip.

Scam!::lol:

 

[Shakti]

I will put 50-100$ $ that clicking on that link is going to give your computer malware infection

 

[Mosaic]

How weird is it to call an airline to ask for a one way ticket to a mid east country. Most countries will not even allow you to enter with out a return ticket. Note he taughts a return ticket not round trip.

Scam!::lol:

Why is a return air ticket any different to a round trip ticket? If I am travelling I buy a return ticket (there & back) some airlines may call it a 'round trip ticket' if you are going to more than one country on the same trip e.g depart home country, stopover couple days country 1, arrive main destination spend main body of time here, maybe depart for several day stay in country 2, depart for home - to me that is a round trip. This person is offering a return, -from home to destination to home, I don't see any scam in that - a return gets me to where I am going and back again, surely that is what you want the plan includes food, accommodation and visa to stay in country for 6 mths.

If this is a genuine offer I am sure they would be open to some sort of negotiation. But as Salome said, a salary is based on a different scale to a one off performance.

I am sure anyone inquiring would be sensible enough to check out all aspects of this before toddling off on such a jaunt, I know I sure would.
~Mosaic

 

[Mosaic]

I will put 50-100$ $ that clicking on that link is going to give your computer malware infection

No it is a genuine company/website, I have already checked it out and have just gone back there now.
~Mosaic

see company history:
Headquartered and registered in Bahrain, Genesis Events W.L.L. is a Media and Entertainment Company founded by music aficionados Joseph Verghese and Susy Joseph. Under the patronage of Bahraini businessman and music lover, Mr. Taher Hameed, Genesis has grown into one of the city's premier media and entertainment institutions.

Genesis has a diverse service line that caters to the Media and Entertainment, Recreation, Advertising and Hospitality sectors of Bahrain. We do Talent Placements, Media Selling and Events.

Our activities cover an entire gamut of services :

> Talent Placement

Genesis sources musical talent for Bahrain's hospitality industry from all around the world. We provide Bahrain with some of the best current musical talent.

> Media Selling

Genesis brings close to two decades of marketing expertise to the Kingdom of Bahrain. With our years of expertise and strong client database, Genesis is ideally positioned to serve as a provider of marketing solutions to global media houses looking for clients in Bahrain to provide sponsorships through advertisements in the channel. Genesis has the capability to provide local content production expertise for localy sponsored programmes. Genesis can furthur independently produce advertising content for these sponsers, if required.

> Event Management

Genesis handles two specialized category of events - The indepth knowledge of the entertainment industry in Bahrain enables Genesis to provide unique tailor made entertainment packages to the more discerning music lovers in the region. Secondly, Genesis provides value added solutions for people associated with the entertainment industry in the region by periodically conducting specialized workshops. These workshops aim to provide Students, Teachers, Performers & Professionals of the entertainment industry with the necessary information and the tools to take their capabilities to the next level.

 

[Shanazel]

Baladi baladi baladi all over someone's ***.

I made more than this thirty years ago!!!! And that was in Wyoming, for cripe's sake. C'mon, break loose with a reasonable offer. Heaven knows there's enough money in Bahrain to pay a dancer a living wage.

 

[Shakti]

American's say roundtrip if it is bothways. Return sounds like a return ticket as in going back to where you departed from- as in one way.

Here, buying a one way ticket to a Mid East country will get you on some kind of watchlist. Infact one way tickets in general since 9/11 are reasons to put you on a no flylist. Since we are probably talking about someone not using American English, your interpretation of return ticket is probably corrrect.

English is a complicated language.

If it is legit, it is really shady. Anyone who would low ball like this, who this trying to find dancers is looking for people to manipulate.

 

[Aniseteph]

In UK usage a return is the standard term for a ticket that gets you out there and back again.

I've no idea whether it's dodgy, and don't know whether the $50-$100 is reasonable or ridiculous, but they are saying food and accommodation included, and I agree with Salome - you can't compare a long term engagement including major living expenses to one-off show rates.

The tax situation and local cost-of-living might also be different over there. Some Gulf countries have no personal tax.

 

[Mosaic]

American's say roundtrip if it is bothways. Return sounds like a return ticket as in going back to where you departed from- as in one way.

Here, buying a one way ticket to a Mid East country will get you on some kind of watchlist. Infact one way tickets in general since 9/11 are reasons to put you on a no flylist. Since we are probably talking about someone not using American English, your interpretation of return ticket is probably corrrect.

English is a complicated language.

If it is legit, it is really shady. Anyone who would low ball like this, who this trying to find dancers is looking for people to manipulate.

One way is exactly that, here in Oz, you leave from a country A and stop at country B and that is where you stay until you buy another ticket to somewhere

So true even in English speaking countries terminology can mean quite different things and that is why we shouldn't judge the written word until we fully understand what the other person means if they are from different countries/cultures. That goes for payment systems - believe me the payment system for dancers here is quite a bit different to that of the States It can take quite a bit of arranging and monetary output to bring foreign dancers here. I take my hat off to those who arrange international dancers events here, the logistics must be a nightmare even before money comes into the equation
~Mosaic

 

[Greek Bonfire]

rotest::wall: WT. . .? :tongue:

 

[Yame]

Man, I would so LOVE to dance in Bahrain or another Gulf country, or in Lebanon. I'm not at that point in my dancing yet, and I when I get there I would rather go for a shorter contract than a full 6 months, but it is disheartening to think this is all I would be making. Even with full accomodations and food paid for, $100 a day for two 30-min sets seems low.

 

[Salome]

I didn't see any indication that it was an all-expenses paid position. If so, that changes my position somewhat - I would probably expect somewhere closer to the $500/day mark for what would essentially be a full-time job in dance.

I don't think I'm being divaish in expecting the compensation I ask in return for all the hard work I put in. If I was offered $50-$100 US a day for 3 hours of performance time, I'd wear my street clothes, no makeup and no rehearsal. If someone isn't willing to pay me for the hours that go into this before the stage part, then they get what they pay for - the stage part alone with no prep on my part.

From what I can see, this is 'here's $50, maybe more if I like you, to buy everything you need and then come perform for me.'

This is a topic dear to my heart. My apologies if I am getting too "excitable" about it.

I am not advocating for this position. I'm simply making some comments in general. I missed the return airfare comment. Should always be round trip.

All expenses paid and 2 30 minute sets is standard and an offer for 3 grand a month is decent. You may think 15,000 a month is what is deserved but I challenge you to find a cruise line, resort, theme park, 5 star hotel, or casino in the world that would pay that. Unless you have some mainstream weight. I've worked in this area of the business for a long time, as a dancer and as an agent. I've booked dancers (of all genres) for some of the biggest clients around and 5000 monthly salary is toward the high end for solo artists doing a daily production. I mean there is always exceptions but that has been my experience from client budgest in USA, Europe, and the Near, Middle and Far East. Alternatively, a one time show is costly. It's not $100 USD but thousands.

As far as I'm concerned a day in the life of these kinds of contracts is pretty luxurious. When I am out on one, my day goes something like this. I wake up and call room service, which I enjoy in bed. Then the staff come in and make my bed and clean my room and do my laundry and iron my costume. I spend my day at the gym, the steam room, the pool, working at my craft, maybe taking some of the city in etc. whatever I want to do. At night I get ready and do my show and that is the life. There are drawbacks, like being away from home/friends/family for extended periods. But it is pretty pampered and you are well taken care of.

 

[gisela]

If I was single and a better dancer this would be a sweet deal The pay is similar to what I get now before paying food and accomodation, so it would be a step up actually.
The return ticket MUST mean "round trip", anything else makes no sense. I remember from english class in the lower classes in school, that we learnt to say "I would like to buy a ticket" "single or return?" "return please" etc etc :lol: If this person is not a native english speaker or perhaps british he probably would say it this way too.

 

[Darshiva]

@ Salome

Fair enough. I don't expect to ever be working under those conditions anyway, so I guess it's a moot point. Moreover, how did I miss the food & accomodation part (on three read-throughs no less) in the OP?

 

[Bellydance Oz]

I didn't see any indication that it was an all-expenses paid position. If so, that changes my position somewhat - I would probably expect somewhere closer to the $500/day mark for what would essentially be a full-time job in dance. .

To put this in perspective, what other salaried jobs pay $500/day? That's $130,000 a year - equivalent to a top senior manager in a company.

I'm a manager and I earn $50 an hour in my salaried job. If I was going to do some consulting, I'd charge $100 to $150 an hour. That kind of distinction is normal in the business world.